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999S Exhaust on a 749??

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Does anyone know...

The 999S Comes with a termi exhaust, correct? if that is so, which I believe it is, will that exhaust fit on an 04 749?

I know the ECU might be different, so I was thinking to use a power commander III, but with the actual physical fit of the system work?

Is the Termi system that is used on the 999S the same as the 1/2 system that I would buy aftermarket for my 749? Does it sound the same and offer the same weight loss as compared to the stock system?

Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
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Not exact answer, but I bought a Termi slip-on system from a 04 999R to be installed on my 05 749S. While the can fits the replacement header pipe does not: the bend at the front end is different. So for now I'm using the stock front cyl header pipe with the Termi.

YMMV.

BHakaLaw said:
Does anyone know...

The 999S Comes with a termi exhaust, correct? if that is so, which I believe it is, will that exhaust fit on an 04 749?

I know the ECU might be different, so I was thinking to use a power commander III, but with the actual physical fit of the system work?

Is the Termi system that is used on the 999S the same as the 1/2 system that I would buy aftermarket for my 749? Does it sound the same and offer the same weight loss as compared to the stock system?

Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
To answer your questions:

The 999S Comes with a termi exhaust, correct?

The stock exhausts are Termi, but for regular street use. They are like that for all Duc Superbikes. The 999s is no different. At least here in the US, it is not equipped with the "for race only" Termi exhaust that is commonly purchased after-market.

... will that exhaust fit on an 04 749?

It depends on the model year of the 999s. The early 999s bikes did not have a "deep sump" engine, while the latter ones did. I am not sure whether the deep sump engine was introduced to the 999s in 2004 or 2005.

Deep sump engines will require a lead exhaust pipe that is designed to go around it. So, exhaust systems designed for deep sump will not fit those designed for non-deep sump and vice versa.

No 749 is equipped with the deep sump engine (except the R). Even if you did find a 999s with non-deep sump pipes and installed this to the 749, it will fit, but you will be replacing the exact same parts. Needless to say, there will be no value in doing such a thing.

I know the ECU might be different, so I was thinking to use a power commander III, but with the actual physical fit of the system work?

The only ECU you can 'properly' install to the 749 is one that is designed specifically for it, if not, just use the stock ECU and install a PC3 to optimize fuel delivery.

Is the Termi system that is used on the 999S the same as the 1/2 system that I would buy aftermarket for my 749?

No. The Termi half-system you purchase as an upgrade for the 749 will have a pipe that is designed for regular engine, no deep sump (the 999S stock system may or may not be for deep sump, depending on model year).

Also, the Termi Half System will not have a catalytic converter, which is built-in on all stock exhaust systems. Thus, Termi will supply a new ECU specific to the bike model that comes with the purchase of a new half system. That ECU is provided to optimize fuel delivery without having to make any further fuel adjustments, purchase PC3 or dyno-tune.

Lastly, the Termi "after-market" exhaust cans are not the same cans on the stock Superbikes. This is what gives it the louder sound and free-flowing characteristics over stock.

Does it sound the same and offer the same weight loss as compared to the stock system?

No and No. The stock exhaust on the 999s is exactly what it is: STOCK. The true after-market Termi race exhaust systems, whether half or full system, will have substantial weight savings over stock, has a huge sound difference and will provide performance gains as well.

As a side note, unless you are out to squeeze-out every bit of hp out of a 749, it is best to go with the half-system, as the performance difference between "full" and "half" might not be significant enough to warrant all the extra expense.

If you only are going for the sound and looks, it's best that you just find a Termi "race only" exhaust (no pipes) and install that into bike... but that exhaust can has to come from a "half system" only (not full system ... it will NOT fit otherwise) ... this is probably the most cost-efficient way to enjoy the sound of a Termi on your bike.

Hope that helps.
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migz123 said:
The 999S Comes with a termi exhaust, correct?

The stock exhausts are Termi, but for regular street use. They are like that for all Duc Superbikes. The 999s is no different. At least here in the US, it is not equipped with the "for race only" Termi exhaust that is commonly purchased after-market.
CORRECTION:

The '03 and '04 999S' did not come with the Termi slip-on exhaust, but in some areas of the world the '05 999S was delivered with the Termi Slip-on (what is normally purchased after-market) --- not sure if that included US... so you might have to check again. The Termi Slip-on, like the "Race Kit" which is delivered with the 999R (also only available in some parts of the world) when applicable, is delivered as a completely separate system from the bike and it has to be installed separately. The "stock" exhaust is ALWAYS provided to meet emission requirements. So when you are taking-in a 999s exhaust what you need to check is:

1) What year it is
2) If it was an '05: whether you are receiving the "stock" or the supplementary "race only" slip on system.

All this mix and match is really confusing... and that's just for the 999S!
All 999S have deep sump engines it was the 999 that had the deep sump fitted in 2005.The rear cylinder catalatic converter is in the stock tail unit the front catalatic converter is in the pipe surely if you change only the tail unit you will only have the one cylinder (front) with the catalatic converter still there. not sure though.
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