[nottaracer]

OK everyone, I need some opinions and advice here. I'm going to be upgrading from my '01 M750 to a Superbike. I've got really 2 main choices I'm looking at as far as local bikes are concerned, an extremely low mileage '04 998 Matrix and an extremely low mileage '05 999S. Both are within $2,000 of each other, so price isn't that big of a concern. Now before you go to the default answer of "999S, DUH!", I know a lot of you don't particularly care for the Matrix Edition, let's weigh the factors here.

I've wanted a 998 Matrix Edition ever since I saw one at a dealership (I even have a pristine tank off of one that was crashed). I know that under the paint it's just a standard '03 998 with a TiN coated fork and Ohlins rear shock, but I love that color. Besides, few will disagree that the 916 series of bikes are probably the best looking every designed. Single sided swingarm, Tamburini sexiness! It's also a biposto which is important because my girl really enjoys going for a ride. (BTW, she prefers the 999S over the 998, based on looks alone, but it's a monoposto and would require mods before she could go for a ride.) Disadvantages, it's 100% bone stock. That means an exhaust of some sort, plus tuning (I'd probably pop for dyno tuning if it's not too outrageous). Another worry is the low production numbers for the bike, especially when I finally take it to the track (do I want to take a chance of wadding up my rare bike on the track?).

Advantages of the 999S...well they're pretty obvious, full Ohlins suspension, full Termi exhaust (I think it's a full system), more power out of the box, and what many say is a better handling chassis. I wouldn't hesitate to tack it to the track. Plus it's black, black is nice! Disadvantages? It's a monoposto and in order to keep my lovely and wonderful girlfriend (who approves of upgrading to a Superbike!) happy, I'd have to get a biposto setup. I'd still might get the bike tuned as well, but it's already got the exhaust. I haven't lusted after the 999 design like I have the 998, but it's looks have grown on me and I do appreciate the way it looks.

So from the novel I've just written you can see I'm honestly torn between the two. Would I miss the performance of the 999S if I purchased the 998? And would I miss the fantastic looks of Mr. Tamburini's design if I purchase the 999S? I need to hear some input, especially from people who have owned both generations of bike! Thanks for making to the end of this post!

 

[vcyclenut]

i had a 2000 996 and now own an 06 999 and still get to ride a 996 fsirly regularly

comparing the motor on the 996 to the 999 the 996 kinda feels like a tractor. it is not as smooth, revs slower and is slower.

chassis wise the 999 for me deff wins but both bikes are very good and on the street either bike is plenty capable. The 999 has a very diff feel then the 996 your more on the 999 and in the 996.

looks wise no one will argue that the 998 isnt a beauty but for me it is starting to show its age, it is almost a 20 y/o design.

quality wise its no comparison. the 999 is an extremely well put together bike. the valves are easier to adjust, the paint is miles thick, the adjustability is sweet, the little details are very cool it just is a better bike all around.

im sure youll be happy either way but i would go with the 999.

if you get the 999 and are interested id trade you my very nice red biposto bodywork and subframe for your black mono bodywork and subframe

 

[nottaracer]

Thanks for your input vcyclenut! Anyone else care to chime in?

 

[DME3]

Pure technical, the 999 for sure!
But if you always wanted a matrix 998, then there's not much left to choose from right? Like all Ducatisti: follow your heart If you get the 999, you will still be longing for that 998 matrix.

Personally I hate the colour of the matrix and absolutly love the 999-series.

You can always buy a Minichamps from the one you don't buy

 

[BaconAndScotch]

Matrix.. Matrix, Matrix MATRIX!!! 999s's are easily found... Matrix bikes are not. I'd be hard pressed to turn down an opportunity like that, especially if you'd been lusting over the matrix for that long.

 

[Artistimo]

For some reason I see Matrix bikes all the time for sale around here. The 998 is a testastretta motor too so I wouldn't worry about performance advantages so much. If you have the opportunity to ride them back to back that would give you a much better basis for comparison. I just rode my 748 today and it really does feel like you're "in" the bike. The seating position and pegs are much taller on my bike and with the tall tank you're sitting in there. On my 999 the rear part of the tank slopes downward so you feel like you're sitting over it. Personally I prefer my 999S. I'm biased, I know. I have several 999 projects going on all the time. I love them. As soon as I finish the one I'm working on now I already have my next project in mind...

I'd get whichever one feels most comfortable. It'll be around 500 for a biposto setup. The S doesn't come with a full system, it's a slip-on. Still, it sounds and feels great. You said they're within 2k of each other...how much are they? I've seen the Matrix sell for 7-9k, I even saw one go for 6k. And even though it has low miles you're going to want to replace those belts for peace of mind. They've been on there for five years now.

 

[SoCalDucati]

My take on the Ducati experience is it is all about passion... I felt the same way about the FE I purchased last year. I would get the Matrix, it is what you are passionate for. And... thinking of that Carrie Ann Moss scene everytime you ride the bike is reason alone.

 

[nottaracer]

I'd get whichever one feels most comfortable. It'll be around 500 for a biposto setup. The S doesn't come with a full system, it's a slip-on. Still, it sounds and feels great. You said they're within 2k of each other...how much are they? I've seen the Matrix sell for 7-9k, I even saw one go for 6k. And even though it has low miles you're going to want to replace those belts for peace of mind. They've been on there for five years now.

The Matrix asking price is $9,995, one owner (whom I actually met), less than 4500 miles, and fully maintained (I think it had valves and belts done recently). The 999S asking price is $12,000, one owner, and about 1300 miles. Both bikes are absolutely mint and locally owned and maintained since new. I will say that when sitting on both bikes back to back, the 998 feels more comfortable. I feel a sharp edge on the inside of my thighs when I set on the 999 (and a 1098 too), the feeling mostly goes away when I put my feet on the pegs. Maybe what I'd like to know is will I miss the additional power and suspension upgrades of the 999S? I know that I can eventually upgrade the forks and the steering damper, but how much can I gain from say a full exhaust and some dyno tuning? Is that even necessary?

 

[bruce19]

+1 for the "go with your passion" school of thought. I have no use for Harley's (for example) but I've suggested to some friends that they buy one because they just had to scratch that itch. Once you have, you will either love what you have or you will move on. At least you won't be wondering if you should have.

 

[LaRossa]

Here's a solution, get them both!
Jokes aside, follow your heart, you love the 999 but also the Matrix green, how about the mentioned above swap and painted Matrix? You would have the color you love on the bike you get hard on, also your gf will be on it to share the feeling with you and you'll also enjoy the better mechanic technology that 999 has to offer over the 998.
Badabing!

 

[nottaracer]

Here's a solution, get them both!
Jokes aside, follow your heart, you love the 999 but also the Matrix green, how about the mentioned above swap and painted Matrix? You would have the color you love on the bike you get hard on, also your gf will be on it to share the feeling with you and you'll also enjoy the better mechanic technology that 999 has to offer over the 998.
Badabing!

Haha! I wish I could get them both! IF it were just about the color alone, I probably would get the 999S and just get another set of plastics painted the Matrix green color. However, it's just not that simple.

 

[StackedOnce]

Matrix for sure!! I'd love one..

 

[NIGHTMARE]

I was in your situation a while back. 999 Vs 998
I ended up buying on pure emotion and even paid more for my 998. I know that the chassis is better on the 999 but the 998 gives me chills just looking at it.
Like it has been said here before, you can buy a 999 anytime and in any condition. 998's are thining out and people are holding on to them now.
Another plus for the 998 is that is has a lot less electronics running through it, so less to go wrong down the road.

 

[nottaracer]

Thanks you all for your input. I believe I've made a decision to buy the 998 Matrix Edition. I've wanted one for so long and the chance is too good to pass up. I don't want to regret not getting one in such good shape. I'm looking forward to being more active on the Superbike section of the boards!

 

[SuicideHz]

That sharp pain is your boner telling you to buy the 999S.

I have a 748 and love the looks of it- ever since I saw my first 916 at the dealer in 94 I knew I had to have one. I sort of have one now but if I was going to upgrade and it came down to finding a nice 998 and then only $2k more for a 999S, mono, with upgraded exhaust and everything where the 998 was stock, I'd HAVE to go with the 999S.

Exhausts are way too expensive to buy for a used bike like that Matrix. The 999S comes with a nice exhaust. Buy that 999S. You'll be happy with it. It's a better bike. Yeah, that Matrix will still catch your eye but you'll be perfectly happy with what you have and know that it's quicker and more responsive than the Matrix.

That Matrix can't really show off the beautiful lines of the 916 series in that awful green color anyway...

 

[SoCalDucati]

Thanks you all for your input. I believe I've made a decision to buy the 998 Matrix Edition. I've wanted one for so long and the chance is too good to pass up. I don't want to regret not getting one in such good shape. I'm looking forward to being more active on the Superbike section of the boards!

Great decision.... good luck with your new 998. You will love it... now go to you tube and what this. I am sure you have seen it a hundred times if you are getting the Matrix but it never hurts to watch again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsyqSlvo58w

 

[33935]

that 998 marix is sweet! my brother just bought one less than a month ago for $8,500 with less than 3k on it. there were a few small items that needed to be fixed or replaced but overall in very good condition. 100% stock.

i'm sharing this so to help you gauge what you should pay for the one you are looking to purchase.

 

[nottaracer]

that 998 marix is sweet! my brother just bought one less than a month ago for $8,500 with less than 3k on it. there were a few small items that needed to be fixed or replaced but overall in very good condition. 100% stock.

i'm sharing this so to help you gauge what you should pay for the one you are looking to purchase.

Thanks, the one I'm looking at is 100% stock and 100% mint. The bike needs nothing, everything, the seats fairings, tires, switchgear all look factory fresh. I've been told that the valves were checked and the belts were changed. I was told all it needs is a rider, and I've known theses guys for a while now. And to the nay sayers, I know the Matrix Edition is not the most popular Ducati on the boards here, but green is my favorite color. And even though the 999S is more technologically advanced I've been lusting after the 998 for years! Plus if all we cared about were tech spec sheets, would any of us ride Ducatis?

 

[grimah1w]

Go with your heart on this...

 

[Albal0ney]

congrats to a fellow proud 998 owner!

shiny side up!