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The headlight on the or at least my) '99 900SS is horse sh_t! I don't even like to ride it at night due tot he headlight. The previous owner put a LED bult in it so it does have the current very white light but other than that it's useless.

What is the suggested upgrade other than to go with a high output H4 bulb and re-wire using big gauge wire to the headlight with relay switching.
 

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Ditch the LED, and go back to a high lumen output (60/55W +100) bulb for the short term. LED's put out great amounts of light, but finding a bulb that creates that light in JUST the right place to give an accurate beam for BOTH beams...

Other than that - yup, large gauge wires from the battery (including a heavy earth wire for the lights), a couple of relays, and maybe a 100/55W bulb (if you do lots of night riding in the country).

As an extra - you could go over all the bikes frame earthing points, sand them back to shiny, then a (very light) smear of vaseline and bolt back together.
 

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headlight choices...

With a little work to the black frame, you can buy a 200mm rectangular Euro Hella headlight, which has way more light than the stock headlight without a 100w H4 bulb. Looks stock, easy to change the bulb, same three prong connector. I have added relays to the high and low beams so the connector does not melt. One can buy a better quality connector at NAPA, Autozone, etc...

Look up Susquehanna Motorsports. www.rallylights.com All shall be revealed....

Fred

pictures will follow....
 

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pictures of the Euro 200mm Hella headlight in Ducati black plastic frame, with aftermarket trim ring, holding things together.

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black tape added around edge to keep light inside.....

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headlight choices...

sorry for the wasted bandwidth. Too bad FI 99+ Ducatis have such poor lighting up front...

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Ditch the LED, and go back to a high lumen output (60/55W +100) bulb for the short term. LED's put out great amounts of light, but finding a bulb that creates that light in JUST the right place to give an accurate beam for BOTH beams...

Other than that - yup, large gauge wires from the battery (including a heavy earth wire for the lights), a couple of relays, and maybe a 100/55W bulb (if you do lots of night riding in the country).
I did the slave heavy wiring with a relay for each of high and low, plus another relay so both were off during cranking and it works well plus a decent Philips 60/55 bulb.
If I had known about them, I would have just bought an H4 kit from Eastern Beaver.

My son has just put a Narva LED in his MT07 and this kit has a remote ballast/driver.
He says it is amazing on high and low beam, so maybe they sorted it.
He has a spare that he will give to me next time we catch up, so I will try it without the slave wiring to see how it performs.

The problem with the SSie wiring is that it a long way from the battery to the bulb connector via a tortuous route, connectors and switches which results in a large voltage drop, combined with small CSA wiring.
The slave fixes that but in my home made version it is a bit of a rats nest under my tank.
 

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Yes, I saw that one and 2 or 3 other posts on this. I read them all. Very informative. Problem is those are focused on the Carby not on the FI if I read all correctly. I was hoping there would be something by someone with the 99+ FI version with the weird shaped headlight.
The projector install with the images I had posted was on my 1999 900SSie which I still have.I believe the pictures are on the third page.And just to add it is still working fine
 

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The problem with the SSie wiring is that it a long way from the battery to the bulb connector via a tortuous route, connectors and switches which results in a large voltage drop, combined with small CSA wiring.
The slave fixes that but in my home made version it is a bit of a rats nest under my tank.
Not too worried about rat's nests. I used to install custom high end audio in cars. I've dealt with rat's nests.

I do plan on going the relay route just haven't had time yet. Did 1st 2 wheeled track day last week (done in cars for many years) and am doing a Ken Hill school Mon/Tue. Maybe within a couple of wks I can get to the wiring.
 

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The projector install with the images I had posted was on my 1999 900SSie which I still have.I believe the pictures are on the third page.And just to add it is still working fine
Thx @hawkgt. I think I recall seeing that but I'll look it up again. I think I'm going t start with just the wiring/relay upgrade with a hi wattage H4. That's quickest and easiest. If that isn't satisfactory then possible the projector route.
 

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Not too worried about rat's nests. I used to install custom high end audio in cars. I've dealt with rat's nests.
Two versions.
Headlight off during cranking and not off during cranking.
I used fused mini relays (1" cube) to protect the cables.

I have attached a Panasonic relay data sheet. If I did it again I would use these because of the size and shape.
 

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Thx @hawkgt. I think I recall seeing that but I'll look it up again. I think I'm going t start with just the wiring/relay upgrade with a hi wattage H4. That's quickest and easiest. If that isn't satisfactory then possible the projector route.
The relay route that Punch suggested may very well get you to where you want to be.
Just be aware if you decide to go the projector ,HID route that it isn't a 10 minute job.It involves totally disassembling the head light,mounting the projector and of course all the related parts.I also painted the reflector in mine black as it dosen't need to be shiny anymore.

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Not sure if the 1000 had better optics with the plastic housing, but my 1000 has decent lighting with an led bulb. But I had to go through a few that had a decent light pattern. The common theme is you need to pay to get a well designed bulb with a useful pattern.

Before you go spend the bucks on an expensive led, I would go get a good halogen bulb and use that and see if your lighting improves. This will give you an idea if the housing is actually putting out a decent pattern in the first place.

But yes, compared to my VFR, the Duc lighting is pretty ordinary.
 

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A problem with my 900SSie was the voltage at the bulb terminals.

It was a couple of volts less than that the battery due to small wires, length of wires, switches and connectors adding resistance.

I do not remember now where I found the data for the attached PDF, but it indicates the effect on output based on the voltage at the bulb.
Hence the slave relay and wiring direct from the battery terminals.
 

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There is a fellow with a business called "Eastern Beaver". He is in Japan. He makes plug and play harnesses with relays to replace the headlight wiring along with other useful electrical elements. Excellent quality.
 

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There is a fellow with a business called "Eastern Beaver". He is in Japan. He makes plug and play harnesses with relays to replace the headlight wiring along with other useful electrical elements. Excellent quality.
Agree.
Not sure if I mentioned it in this thread, but have in many others.
Had I known about Eastern Beaver I would not have made my own.
Looks like the kits use the Panasonic relays I mentioned earlier.
 

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I did the slave heavy wiring with a relay for each of high and low, plus another relay so both were off during cranking and it works well plus a decent Philips 60/55 bulb.
If I had known about them, I would have just bought an H4 kit from Eastern Beaver.

My son has just put a Narva LED in his MT07 and this kit has a remote ballast/driver.
He says it is amazing on high and low beam, so maybe they sorted it.
He has a spare that he will give to me next time we catch up, so I will try it without the slave wiring to see how it performs.

The problem with the SSie wiring is that it a long way from the battery to the bulb connector via a tortuous route, connectors and switches which results in a large voltage drop, combined with small CSA wiring.
The slave fixes that but in my home made version it is a bit of a rats nest under my tank.
Does your son's MT have a 'modern' reflector type headlight with a clear lens? That may be a part of why the bulbs work well for him. I think the regular (old style) lens type headlights require too much precision in the light source placement for most of the LED bulbs. However, there are new design bulbs coming out all the time, some with LED designs that are very close to where the filament would be - so I'm still in hope that there will be a suitable version for my old bike...

That LED bulb I tested/trialled a few years back also had a remote driver pack. I don't suppose you know whether your sons LED light keeps the low beam on 100% of the time?

The other question is - does it have an E-code or DOT or ADR certification?
 

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Does your son's MT have a 'modern' reflector type headlight with a clear lens? That may be a part of why the bulbs work well for him. I think the regular (old style) lens type headlights require too much precision in the light source placement for most of the LED bulbs. However, there are new design bulbs coming out all the time, some with LED designs that are very close to where the filament would be - so I'm still in hope that there will be a suitable version for my old bike...

That LED bulb I tested/trialled a few years back also had a remote driver pack. I don't suppose you know whether your sons LED light keeps the low beam on 100% of the time?

The other question is - does it have an E-code or DOT or ADR certification?
I don't know Steve.
I remember your trials (and tribulations) from years ago.

He does not live near me for a quick check.
I will ask all those questions, including the Narva twin pack part number.
I will ask him to take a photo of the "bulb" and his headlight.
 
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