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The 800cc formula is dead. MotoGP is set to return to 1000cc from 2012, according to a proposal submitted to the Grand Prix Commission at Valencia today. The 800cc bikes have received a deluge of criticism, almost from the moment they were introduced, and that deluge has finally buried them.

The decision has hinged upon a change of mind by the MSMA, the manufacturers association. So far, the manufacturers have been opposed to any changes to the MotoGP formula, partly because high costs of entry created a barrier to new entrants in the class, allowing the existing participants to dominate the class. But the high costs have taken their toll even on the existing manufacturers, and with the future of Suzuki in the class in doubt under the current rules, and even doubt about just how long Honda was prepared to continue, a change was almost inevitable. 2012 is the earliest date it is possible to make the change, as the current 5 year contract that exists between Dorna, the FIM and the MSMA expires at the end of 2011. That contract states that no changes may be made to the engine capacity without a unanimous decision by all of the manufacturers in the MSMA.

The initial proposal was to allow the use of production engines in prototype chassis, but the current proposal makes no mention of production engines at all. MotoMatters.com asked Herve Poncharal about the proposal, and asked whether this was to be production engines or not.

"Nobody's talking about production engines," Poncharal told us. "The Grand Prix Commission is thinking about going back to 1000cc engines. This is more than supported by Dorna, more than supported by Dorna, but the first reaction to this by MSMA is very very positive." The MSMA's new position has been the key difference, Poncharal pointed out, and the Monster Tech 3 Yamaha boss was delighted at this change of heart. "I'm really happy, I'm very happy about that. It looks like there is a consensus, but we have to take it day-by-day."

The fear is, of course, that a change in engine capacity would not be enough to cut costs, and merely create a new class of expensive prototypes. Poncharal said that this would not be allowed to happen: "The whole idea supported by everybody including the MSMA is to get the costs drastically down." Just how to ensure that is a different matter altogether, though. Poncharal admitted it would be difficult, but said that the Grand Prix Commission would not try to solve everything at once. Asked how to ensure that costs didn't once again spiral out of control, Poncharal replied "That's the next question. One day at a time!"
Taken from: http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009/11/07/motogp_back_to_1000cc_from_2012.html


Here are my thoughts:

1) Suppose they increase capacity in order to run the motors at a lower state of tune for the sake of longevity, what's to keep the manufacturers honest and prevent them from tweaking the 1000's like the 800's when competition gets stiff? Insane speeds were a concern in the 990 days and the 800's are already as fast as they were. Will they keep the 5 motor rule, or will there be an HP cap with dynoed and sealed motors?

2) If all the manufacturers agree to a 1000cc formula, could we see the change happen before the current Dorna/MSMA/FIM contract expires in 2012?

3) Everyone knows how much Rossi loved the "sweeter" power of the 990cc bikes. Could the change back to 1000cc be enough to keep him in the sport for just a bit longer or will he be ready to call it a career by then?

4) How would a liter formula affect the status quo of the 4 aliens, and would "exit speed" riders like Hayden come out level or on top of new school "corner speed" riders?



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matt p said:
Here are my thoughts:

1) Suppose they increase capacity in order to run the motors at a lower state of tune for the sake of longevity, what's to keep the manufacturers honest and prevent them from tweaking the 1000's like the 800's when competition gets stiff?
One word: Tires. The reason they didn't need such fancy electronics on the 990cc bikes is that tire technology has sort of leveled out over the past decade or so; while the tires of today are clearly better than five years ago, they are not a major leap in technology ahead of the old 990cc tires. As such, the brutal power of the bigger engines will be the limiting factor - nobody will have so much more power than the rest of the field, like Ducati did at the outset of the 800cc formula.

matt p said:
2) If all the manufacturers agree to a 1000cc formula, could we see the change happen before the current Dorna/MSMA/FIM contract expires in 2012?
One can only hope.

matt p said:
3) Everyone knows how much Rossi loved the "sweeter" power of the 990cc bikes. Could the change back to 1000cc be enough to keep him in the sport for just a bit longer or will he be ready to call it a career by then?
No, the manufacturers (even Honda, which pushed for the 800cc formula) are happy top be going back.

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4) How would a liter formula affect the status quo of the 4 aliens, and would "exit speed" riders like Hayden come out level or on top of new school "corner speed" riders?
Probably not much - except for Lorenzo, who had not yet moved up to MotoGP, these are the same guys leading who were leading in 2006 - I know Stoner spent much of that year crashing, but everyone knew he was going to be good if he could get the front end to stick (he was on Michelins that year)
 
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