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Inspired by superfly999's recent post...which is faster in real life? The 848 is faster than the 999...
 

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Wouldn't surprise me at all if the 749 were faster (on a small track). There are other factors, of course. Suspension?
 

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for who? lap times would depend on the rider, assuming both bikes are in the required condition. generally a slower or less experienced rider will ride the slower bike as fast or faster due to their brain not being overwhelmed. but a faster rider will go faster on the bike that allows the best combination of higher corner speed and straightline speed as suited to the particular racetrack at hand.

i wouldn't say there's a huge difference between those two. they're largely the same bike apart from the engine capacity and riding position, especially in terms of weight and suspension.

the 996 will be easier to ride faster on the road as it has the power to pull it out of a corner better when the reality of road riding limits cornering speeds.

what sort of answer are you after?
 

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Assume both are bone stock with the same rider who is an expert rider. My recollection was that the narrow head bikes were not much of a performance (weight/power) advantage over the desmoquattro bikes. I'm just curious if I'm wrong.
 

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I fully agree with Brad. I think a real expert track rider can utilize the increased power. For an average track rider (like myself), I would be equally slow on both bikes :) , unless it's a large, less technical circuit.
 

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I can tell you that they are very very close to each other. Now let me explain:

My 749 has a assymetric remus with a PCIII and the headlight unit has been removed. Everything else is stock. I run with 1/3 tank of fuel and lightweight knockoff fairings. Gearing 14-41

My buddy's 996 has Termi slip-ons, Gearing is 14-38, everything else is stock.

I'm about 160 naked and he's prob 180.

So when you add it all up my bike's down about 15 HP??? And I'm prob about 30lbs lighter in total...Give or take. We run the same tires and same pressures.

All that being said he has followed me for many laps and I've followed him for many laps. I think that there is a slight advantage to the 996. The torque out of the corners is the key for his advantage. However if I'm in front on the 749 - I have to make a mistake for him to pass me into a corner after a good straight. Miss shift or whatever. That little bit of extra power can get him by most average early to mid 2000 600's. My 749 can keep up but its tougher for me to pass. 600s can pull away slightly from the 749 on the straights so its an even greater distance to make up when the brakes come on.

When I'm behind him I can keep up but its pretty tough for me to get by...he's got to screw up pretty bad. Both bikes are set up to feel pretty much the same on the track...(I'm the suspension tuner for both - wink wink)

If the 996 were a 10 for performance then the 749 is a 9 or 9.5. However the 749(999) series in my opinion is way way more reliable a track machine. There just seems to be more issues that creep up with his 996 and my 749 just keeps on rolling...gas and go!!!

BTW they are both a blast to drive on the track...Like sex with identical twins...similar, different, and tons of fun:D
 

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I have both bikes....and the 996 has more power for sure (749 = 100 rwhp with 56fttq 996 121/rwhp with 76 ft tq), but the 749 is much easier to ride. You can feel the power difference for sure, but the 749 is some much smoother which helps make you faster.....my 1098 is a bitch in power and a total rush to ride, but there again, the 749 is smoother, more managable to ride fast......then to my 888, which is also just a blast to ride and is very similar in power and smoothness of the 749. Just my $0.02 worth
 

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Except a stock 996 is not even close to 121 rwhp.
 

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What a good race! Thanks for posting that video!
 

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That was the first time I saw it myself it was wild how they diced through the back markers, I just know that Ian was ridding a 996 up to a season or two ago. Personally I ride a 853 on the track for me its enough I am still working on my corner speed and I don't have to worry about the power like on the liter bikes.
 

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Excellant race video! What about the etiquite of the 2nd place rider taking the cool down lap ahead of the winner? Poor sportsmanship in my opinion.
 

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Which is better? as in fastest lap time? easiest? most fun? depends I think.
I've never tracked a 996 but a smaller bike 748/749 forces you to use corner speed and braking. If you have more power you will rely on that and I would think not learn as fast.

I love revving twins. It makes me smile.

The bike in the video did not rev as high and sounded slow. Obviously not so but unless you have that guy's talent I think it again come down to what make you smile.

Also, anyone else hear the guy laughing and cheering to himself after the finish? He had a good time/great race.

I'm not sure about the etiquette. He pulled up to congratulate then just didn't hit the brakes. I've done it/had it done both ways. I never gave much thought to it. Normal, I would try to stay in the same position but if things happen and I end up up one/down one its safer to just stay where you are and enjoy the moment.(or course yourself depending on the race)
 

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Ive tried the 749R vs my old 916SPS (996cc SPS engine) back to back and Im torn. The 749 (atleast the R model) had a very good chassie and felt smaller, but I was faster on my 916.

The diffrence in seating position threw me alot.. Its down to the rider on a stock 749 vs 996. The 10-15 hp and torque diffence will let the 996 rider keep away on the straight, but not so much as to equalize a higher corner exit.

Here is a good 749R rider vs a good Ducati 1098 rider. And they ARE playing around, teammates in the same endurance team out for a ride on their personal bikes.
http://youtu.be/s61tmJ21ncc
 
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