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Hi all,
Getting some good saddle time on the ST lately, and really enjoying this motorcycle. Been spending some quality time doing service on it since I acquired it last October, and have it pretty much sorted out, and it runs amazing. However, the clutch noise has been a real downer, so I pulled the cover this eve to have a looksy. I figured there has got to be some serious wear inside. Just as I suspected, the plate tabs are mushroomed over, and the basket has deep notches in it, at least 1/8" play back and forth.

So, my question for y'all is what clutch kits have you been running? I dont want to break the bank, and dont need a Althea racing slipper or the like, just want a good plug and play kit that is better than stock. I have used Barnett products before with great success, and hear a lot about the EVR (but cant say I am a fan of the 48 teeth, seems limited??), what about HDESA? Just figure I can get a better aftermarket kit for the same $$ as a OE kit???? Open cover, or stick with the closed cover??

Whats your thought gents? Hopefully this isnt like asking the best brand of oil or tires :laugh:
 

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I like OEM plates and baskets too. With a catch. You have a 2000 ST4, so it will have the steel basket and steel friction plates. The newer OEM, after 2003 or so, aluminum basket and frictions are a nice upgrade for weight reduction and are direct bolt on. Look into the quite clutch mod too. If you do it, it will be the last time you need to replace the basket. Your frictions will be replace for actual clutch wear and not because the tabs have beaten themselves to death. Works perfect with no negative side effects.

Open clutch cover, billet pressure plate and all that are your personal choice. They add money to the project, but no real performance gain or improvement. Looks nice if not overdone IMHO.

Doesn't suck to replace the springs and you really should replace the throw out bearing if one didn't come with a new pressure plate or you decide to keep the original OEM part.

Where to buy? I'm cheap. Both bikes have new OEM baskets and plates I scored on eBay. You can get lucky and find someone selling take-off parts to help fund the big money slipper clutches and crazy bling! Don't immediately put off a low mileage used kit that shows very little wear. The HDESA stuff looks interesting. Good price for the whole kit. OEM plates and Hub (which I have never replaced), but the rest is likely made in house. Good news is I have some of their tools and the quality is excellent.

Here's a few I'd be interested in if it were me.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ducati-999-Dry-Clutch/232756127627?hash=item363158a78b:g:wBMAAOSwX8da653e&vxp=mtr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Ducati-Engine-Motor-Dry-Clutch-Lightweight-Aluminum-Basket/332669127120?fits=Make%3ADucati&hash=item4d74a009d0:g:0zkAAOSwrklVJsw~&vxp=mtr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ducati-Dry-Clutch-Kit-19020111A/282079506766?fits=Make%3ADucati&hash=item41ad3fb14e:g:arIAAOxyXTRSAui-:sc:USPSPriorityMailPaddedFlatRateEnvelope!06237!US!-1&vxp=mtr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-dry-clutch-bell-ergal-ducati-corse/222675914168?hash=item33d884cdb8:g:tbEAAOSwS0lZ3xtC&vxp=mtr

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I replaced just the friction plates , basket and steel reaction plates where fine, with newfren standard plates which I got from eBay. They worked great from the get go and still working well over 20k km later.
 

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For some reason, Gotham direct is cheaper than their ebay site: https://www.gothamcycles.com/ducati-aluminum-dry-clutch-basket.html

This is what I went with, along with a Barnett aluminum pack. So far, so good.

I also replaced the rusty clutch springs with aftermarket that won't rust.

If you're not a fan of the clutch noise, I would keep it closed. But you can always run it with the cover off when you do the replacement and see how it sounds.
 

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I know the purist on here will faint,,,,,but if you want an easier pull on your clutch lever remove two opposing clutch spring and rejoice at the ease of pulling in the clutch.
I have hammered on my '02 ST4s with this set up and have never had the clutch slip, ever.
Give it a try you'll like it!
Ride On
Dave
 

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Thanks for all the info and links guys! Sounds like it sort of boils down to the look I want, most of what I have been looking at appears to be quality aftermarket or OE bits. I figure I cant go wrong with the Barnett plates, and the HDESA parts look to be top notch.

I am leaning this direction: https://www.gothamcycles.com/ducati...ates--pressure-plate---springs--caps-kit.html
I have used Gotham Cycles several times in recent years, they are a fantastic company.

And then there is HDESA:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ducati-749...VWumO5:sc:USPSPriorityFlatRateBox!81503!US!-1
 

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You would do well with either. For the extra $100.00, you get the tool and OEM clutch pack. I'm partial to the OEM clutch, seems people have set up issues with Barnett on occasion. Easy to overcome if you understand it may not be 100% drop in and might take some tweaking with the stack height. I suppose that could be true of the OEM stuff too, depending on your set up. Although you'd expect Gotham would have put together a kit that works without issues.

The tool you can make out of your old clutch parts if you're willing to. You do need the tool to hold the clutch hub when torquing that big center nut.
 

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Welp, I went for the HDESA kit. The kit from Gotham was 100 bucks less expensive and the only difference was the (more expensive) OE vs Barnett disks (as mentioned already by SS904). The kit from HDESA did include new basket bolts and the tool. What impressed me about this product is that they were specific to mention that they used a SKF bearing in their pressure plate, might sound minimal to a lot of folks, but to me it shows that they do not cut corners, and produce a quality product in every way.

I know this site is chalk full of clutch discussion, so thanks to all who replied and indulged me... much appreciated. i'll report back my thoughts when I receive my new goodies and how it installs.

I also snagged this cool finishing touch: https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUCATI-748...m=232712596708&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507
 

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Thanks for all the info and links guys! Sounds like it sort of boils down to the look I want, most of what I have been looking at appears to be quality aftermarket or OE bits. I figure I cant go wrong with the Barnett plates, and the HDESA parts look to be top notch.

I am leaning this direction: https://www.gothamcycles.com/ducati...ates--pressure-plate---springs--caps-kit.html
I have used Gotham Cycles several times in recent years, they are a fantastic company.

And then there is HDESA:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ducati-749...VWumO5:sc:USPSPriorityFlatRateBox!81503!US!-1
I just installed the HDESA kit yesterday. Came with Ducati OEM plates, an aftermarket basket, I'm assuming aftermarket steel, springs, and the holding tool. $399. Haven't even started it yet. Got my new tires yesterday and getting them installed on Monday, so dropping the wheels to carry them in. I'm going to report back on this after I get some miles on it. All parts fit well, and the basked was well made and well finished. Just for fun, I rang it and the original like a bell and it sounded identical, so similar compositions.
 

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Got the new clutch installed, it looks wonderful! Install was a piece of cake, everything all new and shiny. I replaced all the O rings (4 of them, 2 on push rod, 1 on slave, and 1 in the hub/drum). The Ducabike open cover is the frosting on top, all the parts from HDESA and Ducabike are top notch.

Now after derky944's motor mount bolt warning, I checked mine..... Yup, dont get to try the new clutch out til I get in a new bolt to replace a broken one...
 
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