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Just wondering what I should try out. I *think* the problem is the battery, as charging the battery fixed the problem for one ride last summer, but I've been unsuccessful at getting it started since.

Basically, I turn the bike on, press the starter button and it turns over multiple times but never starts up. Adjusting the fast idle switch doesn't seem to effect it either way.

I bought new plugs and new plug wires, but I have to install them still. The battery seems to be nearly dead every time I spend a couple months away from the thing. It seems to be some cheap, aftermarket one, so I'm thinking that's really my main problem. I'm at a crossroads wondering if I should invest in a gel battery, or buy the normal kind, and what brands are the best.

I still have to replace the tubing out of the bottom of the gas tank, as the original owner used duct tape to patch it. It's...pretty shady. Anyway, I didn't want to replace everything at once and not know what fixed it/have it not be fixed at all.

I was thinking either of these for batteries:
http://www.bikebandit.com/bikemaster-agm-platinum-ii-battery-ms12-16al-a2-bm?m=152850

http://www.bikebandit.com/bikemaster-yumicron-battery-bb16al-a2?m=152850
 

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start with easy stuff. big red switch in the GO position? kickstand up? in neutral? try it with clutch in and clutch out? plenty of gas? fully charge that battery too. FI systems need all 12 volts to run properly. make sure battery terminals are tight.
 

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start with easy stuff. big red switch in the GO position? kickstand up? in neutral? try it with clutch in and clutch out? plenty of gas? fully charge that battery too. FI systems need all 12 volts to run properly. make sure battery terminals are tight.
Unfortunately I tried all that. I was rather unsuccessful push starting it too. I don't exactly weigh a lot, so push-starting it is a little hard...lol. Almost got it to start once.

Pretty sure the bike has been left to sit before with the key turned "on". It doesn't seem to want to hold a charge.
 

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All those good reasons aside, if it will/might start on a bump start, then it is probably the connector onto the start solenoid needing pushing back on.


This as happened to me. On the right hand side of the bike bike just below the tank there is a connector to the start solenoid. I recall this connector just slips on without a barb to hold it in place. Just push it back on and hopefully you are electric starting again.
 

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Okay, so I put the brand new, awesome-looking battery in, the Bikemaster TruGel, and tried starting it up. Engine appears to turn over, and it sputtered once indicating it might start. Then the same sound you hear in the video. Repeatedly. Oddly enough, when I flicked the switch off, it did the same exact thing. Adjusting the idle switch changed nothing as well.

Now it could be that Rochester, NY is at a lovely 37 degrees right now, but I thought Fuel Injection compensated for that. I've uploaded some pictures of what I think might be the culprit (fuel lines and/or the electrical device attached to the tank). and it looks like such a fun thing to fix. Anyway, it appears I'll have to try to remove the fairing with those shit rubber screw things on the bottom, which in a minute I might take a sawzall to the damned thing...

Video and pictures incoming.

Ducati doesn't want to start - YouTube

Honorable mention goes to the spark plug/wires since both look awful. I have new plugs and wires though. Have to get around to replacing them I 'spose.

Edit: The start solenoid. Yeah, that looked like absolute shite. I'll just replace the thing if it's not too expensive. I already sank enough money into this thing. I want to just move it to a different garage so it will actually be close enough to work on it!
 

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Those fuel lines and tank wiring look like a fire waiting to happen. Not that they may have anything to do with the bike not starting, just a safety precaution you should address first.
 

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Those fuel lines and tank wiring look like a fire waiting to happen. Not that they may have anything to do with the bike not starting, just a safety precaution you should address first.
I was thinking that they were a problem, but "fire" didn't immediately come to mind. I assume they're not that hard to swap out? What are the lengths and gauges? Anywhere special I should go to buy them?

I was having trouble getting the lower faring off due to the rubber screw things being completely fubar. I need these things off to swap the hosing out, unless I'm a contortionist.

Like I've said in prior threads, I probably should have taken somebody who actually knew bikes to help me look at this.

Edit: Is the thing sticking out of the gas tank the starter solenoid?
 

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The duct tape looks like it was used to mark the fuel lines so someone could put them back in the right location, you can see a number 4 written on one piece. Pull the duct tape off and inspect the fuel lines before you replace them. In the video the bike sounds like it's turning over fine. Quick and dirty way to check it is to remove the air filter and pour a small amount of gas in the throttle bodies or use a little starting fluid to try to start it. If it starts then you have a fuel problem, if it doesn't start then you have an ignition problem.
 

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Bad gas, split fuel lines, clogged fuel filter... don't worry about what the cause is...fix the stuff that looks like it might be the problem then go for a ride knowing it's ready to go. :D

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The duct tape looks like it was used to mark the fuel lines so someone could put them back in the right location, you can see a number 4 written on one piece. Pull the duct tape off and inspect the fuel lines before you replace them. In the video the bike sounds like it's turning over fine. Quick and dirty way to check it is to remove the air filter and pour a small amount of gas in the throttle bodies or use a little starting fluid to try to start it. If it starts then you have a fuel problem, if it doesn't start then you have an ignition problem.
You are apparently a much more observant man than I! I'll definitely try that and I guess I'll report back!

As for the fuel filter...guess I'm not used to a bike that has one :p. Forgot those can get clogged.

*sigh* I can tell this will be the problem that is not fun to diagnose.

What's weird with it all is I started it up just fine in the summer. Road it ~70 miles. Parked it for three weeks. Tried it again annnnd nothing. Now it's a good six months later. Time does not usually help these problems.
 

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You will learn much grasshopper! :rolleyes:

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It is a journey that somebody will have to drag me, kicking and screaming, most of the way. I am absolutely dense in this topic, I think ;).

But ya know, where there's a will there's a way. I firmly believe I can fix all the previous owner's mistakes. Just have to figure out what they were...

I probably won't update this thread until I get free time. Starting my second degree very soon, and full time work for pennies...not much time for fun.
 

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With a good maintenance manual and time to go through it methodically you can fix about anything with the proper tools. As for the wiring at the tank, that's the fuel pump and low fuel light wiring.
 

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This is a very quick reply as I have a deadline to meet.

When you turn on the bike does the fuel pump whir? If no, then there is no fuel.
If yes, then you need to find out if it is fuel or spark preventing starting.

You can remove the horizontal spark plug without removing the fairing.

Whip out the plug, put it into the plug lead and hold the spark plug thread onto the cylinder fins. If you don't have a race stand, you will need to work out how to have the bike with the kick stand up so you can crank the engine as though it was starting.

If you don't see a spark, then you have an electrical issue, which I can maybe steer you through later.
If you have spark, then it is probably fuel. With the plug out and after cranking you should be able to smell petrol. Also, if you pull the plug immediately after cranking, the plug should be wet.

If it is dry then your injectors may be clogged. I doubt that your fuel filter would the issue if it started before you laid it up.

Those rubber things are called well nuts and those at he bottom of the fairing are a PITA as the threads get clogged up. Worst case is grab them with pliers to hold the metal inserts, which will destroy them. Desmotimes stocks them. On mine, I cut about 3/4" of suitable diameter tubing, sealed one end with a cigarette lighter, then screwed it on as a thread shield.

Tell us how you go and we can see what to do next.

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If that was my SS I would start by cleaning it real good, lots of Simple Green, WD40 and some brushes, let it stand for a day or so to dry, maybe use an hair dryer. Al it need is some LOVE, trust me.
 

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If that was my SS I would start by cleaning it real good, lots of Simple Green, WD40 and some brushes, let it stand for a day or so to dry, maybe use an hair dryer. Al it need is some LOVE, trust me.
I might get banned for this and have resisted making a comment on this post for a while but cannot resist any longer.

This must be close to, if not, the most ridiculous post I have seen on this forum. Cleaning a bike does not fix this type of fault. There are no prizes for posting, so if someone has no substantial information, then don't post.

Should I test the theory though?
I have an old BSA with a broken con rod and holes punched by the rod through the crankcase. If I wash it, spray on some WD40, poke around with brushes and get out the hair dryer all will be fixed? Hope so as it will save me heaps of time and money.

The point of forums is that if someone does not know what to do, they search a forum, then if they can't find an answer, they start a new thread seeking informed opinion.

My son recently bought a his first bike (secondhand) that had turned out to have some issues. My actions included testing, then based on that we put in a new battery, stator and regulator. It now runs perfectly.
If he read a post like this one above that cleaning fixes all he might say "Dad, with your 40 years experience with bikes, why did you let me spend all that money and time, when we could just have cleaned the bike and all would be good?"

Arrivederci from Punch?
 

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^^^
lmao! :d
Some advice based on a recent forum search I did.

Looking at your Avatar (aka a pic) I reckon of you give your bike a bit of a clean you might get another 10 to 20 degrees of lean angle more than your avatar.

Hey wait a moment, spray some WD40 on it and you will be at 90 degrees.
You will get your elbow further down than Marquez!

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