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May 13th, 2019 6:38 am
1-3-2-4
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Originally Posted by Damascus View Post
Like this, from a 2014 article I came across LOL ...

Electric motors are almost silent and the only sound an electric motorcycle usually makes is tyre and wind noise. However, Harley being Harley, they had to make some noise as well. So the engineers worked on meshing the reduction gear to produce a whining turbine jet fighter sound.

It’s certainly not the signature “potato-potato” sound we’ve come to accept from Harley, but it is louder than other electric bikes and quite different. It remains to be seen if it is accepted by the Harley purist.
I remember reading that when the Livewire was first announced.

But the sound isn't what I am talking about. Rather, it's the feel delivered by the firing order. Anyone who's ridden dirt bikes knows the difference between a 2T and 4T and how beneficial each can be. Same rationale behind Yamaha's cross plane I4 in the R1 and MT-10 (great engines, btw). There are just soooo many variations of engine configurations and firing orders that the available 'personality' is off the charts for motorcycles...

  1. 2T thumper
  2. 4T thumper
  3. Parallel Twin (flat plane crank)
  4. Parallel Twin (x-plane crank)
  5. V-Twin (90 degree)
  6. V-Twin (less than 90 degree)
  7. Boxer Twin
  8. Triple
  9. I4 (Flat plane crank)
  10. I4 (x-plane crank)
  11. V4 (90 degree)
  12. V4 (less than 90 degree)
  13. Boxer 4
  14. I6
  15. Boxer 6
  16. VR6

And these are just the current production engines that I can think of off the top of my head! By comparison on the electric side...there is just...electric. I've liked the electric karts I've used, but the jury is still out on the electric bikes.
May 11th, 2019 10:30 am
DarR
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Originally Posted by Damascus View Post
...Electric motors are almost silent and the only sound an electric motorcycle usually makes is tyre and wind noise. However, Harley being Harley, they had to make some noise as well. So the engineers worked on meshing the reduction gear to produce a whining turbine jet fighter sound.

It’s certainly not the signature “potato-potato” sound we’ve come to accept from Harley, but it is louder than other electric bikes and quite different. It remains to be seen if it is accepted by the Harley purist.
The current Harley purist will have rode-off into the sunset when that bike is released. The average age of a Harley buyer is over 55. However, I suspect this statistic is misleading as the distribution is most likely skewed to the left where the median age is much higher.
May 11th, 2019 9:36 am
Damascus
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Originally Posted by 1-3-2-4 View Post
It's funny you mentioned that. I've been giving a lot of thought recently to the future of electric motorcycles. We can all agree that cars have more or less become appliances that all generally feel (and look) similar. There are a few notable examples, but I stand by my point. But a motorcycle? That's different.

... I'm very curious (and slightly concerned) about how the major manufacturers are going to differentiate themselves with their electric motor designs. ...
Like this, from a 2014 article I came across LOL ...

Electric motors are almost silent and the only sound an electric motorcycle usually makes is tyre and wind noise. However, Harley being Harley, they had to make some noise as well. So the engineers worked on meshing the reduction gear to produce a whining turbine jet fighter sound.

It’s certainly not the signature “potato-potato” sound we’ve come to accept from Harley, but it is louder than other electric bikes and quite different. It remains to be seen if it is accepted by the Harley purist.
May 11th, 2019 8:37 am
CRFan1
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Originally Posted by DarR View Post
I have both as well. The Monster 1200R's Testastretta engine is visceral.
BTW, why don't you have a Monster living in Munster, Indiana?
LOLOL.....you know, that's a good question....
May 10th, 2019 10:35 am
DarR
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Originally Posted by CRFan1 View Post
That's why I have both, hahaha. Nothing beats the multi for a long day in the saddle and it amazes me every time I ride it. But I do hop on the SDR when I feel the need for a more basic experience with torque that feels like a punch in the gut, lol
I have both as well. The Monster 1200R's Testastretta engine is visceral.
BTW, why don't you have a Monster living in Munster, Indiana?
May 9th, 2019 12:29 pm
CRFan1
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Originally Posted by parkcrf View Post
I think the 1260 looks better than the 1200 and I like the longer wheelbase, better stability for long range touring suits me well.

Just want more power or the sensation of it. But it is a fantastic motorcycle. I guess I’m spoiled by the powerband my Superduke 1290.
That's why I have both, hahaha. Nothing beats the multi for a long day in the saddle and it amazes me every time I ride it. But I do hop on the SDR when I feel the need for a more basic experience with torque that feels like a punch in the gut, lol
May 9th, 2019 11:22 am
parkcrf I think the 1260 looks better than the 1200 and I like the longer wheelbase, better stability for long range touring suits me well.

Just want more power or the sensation of it. But it is a fantastic motorcycle. I guess I’m spoiled by the powerband my Superduke 1290.
May 9th, 2019 11:16 am
appliance57 You like the 1200, why not sell the 1260 and get a 1200? Lighter, punchier and better looking IMO.
May 9th, 2019 10:36 am
1-3-2-4
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Originally Posted by Damascus View Post
Speaking of too smooth ...

My neighbor took me for a ride in his Tesla to demonstrate its acceleration.

It was the smoothest, fastest accelerating and UTTERLY SOULLESS vehicle I've ever been in.

No thanks.
It's funny you mentioned that. I've been giving a lot of thought recently to the future of electric motorcycles. We can all agree that cars have more or less become appliances that all generally feel (and look) similar. There are a few notable examples, but I stand by my point. But a motorcycle? That's different.

Forget about the various chassis and suspension designs for a moment and focus on the engine. The feel is DRASTICALLY different between my 1200 HD-engine'd Buell and my MTS1200 and they are both twins. Start comparing triples, I4's, thumpers, smokers, boxers, etc. and the personalities are endless. I'm very curious (and slightly concerned) about how the major manufacturers are going to differentiate themselves with their electric motor designs. I'm no electrical engineer, but my gut says the secret sauce will be in the controller that will be used to emulate different firing orders and engine configurations. Interesting times ahead...hopefully.

Off topic, sorry!
May 9th, 2019 9:31 am
Gadgetech
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Originally Posted by Damascus View Post
Ugh. Sorry to hear this. Hopefully, you are OK.
Better than I deserve to be, no doubt. I think the guys were rather surprised to see me walking about just after. 9 stitches is all that was required.

Sorry for going OT and thank you for your thoughts.
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