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Sep 26th, 2009 4:27 am
MTScott2 Antigrav You cannot legislate common sense and self responsibility...
Some fools are lacking on both...
Some people only have so much intelligence and will never elevate any higher...
If lacking common sense and self responsibility one should not be on the road, simple but enforcable?

You shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush,,,
Sep 25th, 2009 8:16 pm
crashman
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I"m not getting the logic of some of the posts.... Yes it's zero tolerance, but if you leave you restaurant being cool and not doing wheelies, speeding, or weaving they don't have reason to pull you over. The one or two drinks mean nothing...no harm no foul so why worry... right? Ride cool and no one would know anything. Why be scared unless a cop is outside waiting for you. In that case freaking don't drink...

But if you start riding fast because you got your buzz on and are drawing attention to yourself then you will probably get pulled over...then I say don't blame the law blame yourself. Its just simple self responsibility and common sense...
On the surface it doesnt appear too bad but legislation is a slippery slope. I think the main problem is some of the laws that are getting passed are a bit too Orwellian. We really dont need big brother in every aspect of our life. If you are riding sensible and have had 2 drinks you are really no danger to anyone but the police can charge you with it if so inclined under the zero tolerance rules. If you are riding like an ass odds are you have had more than a couple and should be stopped. As I said before, stupid causes alot more accidents than booze.
This is just another case of legislators doing something to give the appearance of looking out for public safety. They pick on motorcycles because we are a small enough group that they feel we can be easily defeated.
Sep 25th, 2009 7:41 pm
Martyn Aaahhh, common sense. Works for some, has to be beaten into others. OK, wheelies are illegal everywhere. Dammit, the Pterdactyl likes to wheelie! So what's wrong with pulling her up on a stretch of road with no traffic? Oiy!

Do you drink on a trackday? How about the night before? I don't, but that's because it takes a big effort to find my keys in the morning! Time and wisdom change things.
Sep 25th, 2009 7:33 pm
Antigrav
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I hope something like that never happens here in Canada. Quite often I'll take my bike to lunch or dinner and have one drink with dinner then ride home.

Rather than making new laws, they should spend more time and effort enforcing the ones that actually matter. There are enough actual drunk drivers out there on the roads endangering people. They shouldn't have to worry about guys who've had one drink then ride home as well.
I"m not getting the logic of some of the posts.... Yes it's zero tolerance, but if you leave you restaurant being cool and not doing wheelies, speeding, or weaving they don't have reason to pull you over. The one or two drinks mean nothing...no harm no foul so why worry... right? Ride cool and no one would know anything. Why be scared unless a cop is outside waiting for you. In that case freaking don't drink...

But if you start riding fast because you got your buzz on and are drawing attention to yourself then you will probably get pulled over...then I say don't blame the law blame yourself. Its just simple self responsibility and common sense...
Sep 25th, 2009 4:58 pm
MTScott2 Must be nice to live in Kelowna, ( I got a brother there ) Seems the "cops", Or the politicians who dictate to the cops which laws they should enforce here , "let" the street racers around Toronto go crazy till something bad happens, then they rush in a hammerfisted law .that affects the whole Province,
Then they impound a tuned up Honda Civic and have a press field day crushing the mini hot rod making front page news with some politicians looking like they are saving us all from the evils .

My brother said that the cops found a guy growing 300 pot plants on his property and they cut 290 down and left him with 10 growing and a warning NO CHARGES ... Must be nice to live in Kelowna
Sep 25th, 2009 3:23 pm
breakdown I hope something like that never happens here in Canada. Quite often I'll take my bike to lunch or dinner and have one drink with dinner then ride home.

Rather than making new laws, they should spend more time and effort enforcing the ones that actually matter. There are enough actual drunk drivers out there on the roads endangering people. They shouldn't have to worry about guys who've had one drink then ride home as well.
Sep 25th, 2009 2:08 pm
shanetbird
Sh!t I pity you mob in finland

Sh!t I pity you mob in finland

If they had that here in Australia the roads would be empty
your taxis drives must be the rich there !.

everybody here has a few sharpies after work not get blind

far cry form our M8's in malaysia
Sep 24th, 2009 7:47 am
stryder
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Zero tolerance laws are very dangerous to a free society. a few years back my neighbors daughter was suspended from school and her permanent record says she had a drug violation because she took an over the counter PMS pill to school. Zero tolerance means that no justifiable excuse can be given. Though at .05 BAC it would think that you would be over the legal limit with two barley pops unless you are 250 lbs. I think that is strict enough as many states here have a .1 BAC limit, California is .08. For me I might have one beer with lunch on a group ride, but almost never do, but I like to have the option as a semi-responsible free citizen in a semi-free Republic.
Years ago, Finnland had zero tolerance laws re drinking and driving. Quite simply, drinking and driving was illegal in that country unlike most western nations where drinking and driving is legal and has been reduced to a silly cat and mouse game of technology and allowable limits. IIRC, their law was very simple: If found with any alcohol in your system, your license was revoked for 5 years; end of story. I don't know if that law is still in effect.

We already have zero tolerance thinking re beverage alcohol consumption in certain areas of civil life like for examples those who are performing surgery, or preciding over a trial, or piloting large vehicles etc. In my jurisdiction, new drivers have zero alcohol stipulations on their licenses for a number of years after getting them as part of the graduated system. AFAIK, nobody's freedom is being compromised, other than the freedom to endanger others because some people want to have a few wobbly pops and go riding/driving afterwards. Just stay home and drink, or abstain from drinking when out with your vehicle or get get a DD. What's so hard about that?
Sep 24th, 2009 6:36 am
Col crikey thats a bloody outrage thats what it is
Sep 23rd, 2009 10:11 am
lelenb Zero tolerance laws are very dangerous to a free society. a few years back my neighbors daughter was suspended from school and her permanent record says she had a drug violation because she took an over the counter PMS pill to school. Zero tolerance means that no justifiable excuse can be given. Though at .05 BAC it would think that you would be over the legal limit with two barley pops unless you are 250 lbs. I think that is strict enough as many states here have a .1 BAC limit, California is .08. For me I might have one beer with lunch on a group ride, but almost never do, but I like to have the option as a semi-responsible free citizen in a semi-free Republic.
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