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|Jan 3rd, 2018 7:47 pm|
My Monster 12 sounds good stock to me. But some bikes sound corked up, and just too quiet. My '07 Tuono was in that category stock. Way too quiet, like trying to sneak a fart in public.
It was pretty loud, but not too bad with the GPR slip ons. The '03 Tuono also loud but not too bad with Leo Vince, I have never heard it with the stock pipe.
TLDR. I like to hear the engine music, no need to piss off the neighbors or cops.
|Jan 3rd, 2018 7:43 pm|
OK, here in the lane-splitting free world, loud pipes definitely save lives as we filter through the pot smoking, texting, nose picking, radio fiddling, caged numbskulls. YOu cant believe the pot smoke density I lane split through on the Bay Bridge at rush hour! FWIW, if I were a gridlocked 49-stater, my opinion on the safety value of open pipes may likely vary..
PLEASE.. join the rational rest of the known universe: FIGHT FOR LEGAL LANE SPLITTING IN YOUR US STATE. then open up those termis
|Jan 3rd, 2018 12:52 pm|
I think we're all saying - loud enough to be noticed, but not so loud it's annoying.
My Monster with a Termi pipe is louder than my VFR, and I'm more careful to not rev the piss out of it in neighborhoods. I've had plenty of cagers come too close when I'm on the VFR, I expect that to be somewhat minimized on the Monster.
A cager with the windows up, a/c on, and stereo running likely would "see" me on the VFR, but never "hear" me.
The Monster should get noticed both ways, hopefully waking up a few cagers from their commuting funk.
|Oct 21st, 2017 5:34 am|
|WarBaby||I certainly want to hear my engine growl but open pipes are very annoying.|
|Oct 13th, 2017 12:51 pm|
|jcasella||I've only had a couple sewing machine quiet bikes in almost 20 years on street. The were many more close calls on those (lockups, heart pounding, twitch around a rear fender stuff). Harleys and Ducs do seem to get heard in my experience. So I won't say loud pipes save lives but they have saved some possible accidents.|
|Oct 12th, 2017 11:02 pm|
Thanks for a well thought out response. I, like you, have but anecdotal "evidence" for my argument. I have yet to hear loud pipes when I'm in my cage unless the loud bike is at least beside or in front of me. Until exhausts point their sound waves forward, I don't expect that to change. If I'm splitting (and admittedly that doesn't happen too often in my local) I don't expect anyone to hear me (carbon fiber DP cans on my duc so it isn't particularly loud) as I sneak up.
|Oct 8th, 2017 12:12 am|
Voted on the poll, but not commented so far. It is important to me to start my bike at o'dark thirty on Sunday morning without frightening the neighbors. Still, the carbon fibre cans really bark above about 3,500rpms so it is there for use in city traffic as well as a marital aide.
samadhi put a lot of thought into his post, and it might be considered an unpopular point of view so I want to speak up.
I see too many people driving with ear plugs in and texting to worry too much about the socialized behavior of my pipes,... so until I can carry missile launched RPG's on my bike I think I can use the loud handle appropriately in self-defense. Half-hearted apologies if it seems I don't sometimes but I honestly feel the lunatics are trying to run me over too often as I am a daily rider. Just not an aggressive driver, in my town you really don't get anywhere faster speeding on the surface streets because of all the un-synchronized stoplights every 1/8 mile. If more people would drive as though they were strapped spread-eagle across their hood like an Aztec sacrifice I might change my opinion, but no - they are in their living room cocoon feet up on the Lazyboy lounger yet trying to get to the next intersection one second sooner.
|Oct 7th, 2017 11:18 pm|
Originally Posted by rapidoxidationman View Post
For reference, here is a link. The prior owner did this mod, which I think was too much. This video was shot by my friend who wanted a video of backfire. So I delivered. I do not usually do this... https://vimeo.com/233934527
Anyways, I consider your idea ignoring fundamental principles of human/driver behavior and physics.
I'll firstly begin with anecdotal evidence:
I was riding on the 405 in Los Angeles. Surrounding traffic was cruising at around 10MPH. I was splitting at around 25MPH. I heard an extremely loud braking and slightly skidding of tires. Whatever; eyes on the road. I took an exit to fill-up. I ended up seeing an old friend, so after filling up, we rode to near the air pump of that gas station and began chatting. Some minutes later, a car pulls up directly next to us. You know what the first thing out of this guy's mouth was? "I know you'll hate me, but I nearly killed you." "What do you mean?" "Yeah, if I hadn't heard you coming, I would have killed you, I didn't check my mirrors." Basically, the driver was in lane 3. He saw a diagonal opening forward into the carpool lane, aka lane 1. He pins it from lane 3 toward lane 1. He rather quickly put together the fact that the motorcycle he suddenly heard coming was probably splitting, therefore probably interfering with his line of movement. Turns out that driver was also a rider, so he felt great remorse for his sequence of actions.
The human responses system "loud motorcyclists" prey on as a viable form of increasing chances of safety (if the story above did not change your mind):
Basic human behavior in the gross world teaches we have at least 5 senses: sight, touch, smell, sounding and taste.
What brings awareness of a driver to a motorcyclist? You would wager it is primarily sight, and you would wager by implication of your argument is enough for drivers to be aware of us. But that story above should be enough to illustrate to you sight is not enough, and perhaps not in all cases even primary.
We all know sight is not always used by driver, e.g. above. What other way can our presence travel to the driver without our motorcycle physically having yet reached near them, such as achieved through sight? Let us say from 50 feet away, can we make them: smell us? touch us? taste us? Maybe.
But our presence can surely be sent rather far with sound. This lends us to the idea of louder exhausts *angelic voice*. It's another sense we can viably channel our presence to a driver. If it is not damaging our hearing, it can only help, right? Edit: If I have to circumvent the noise of my exhaust with ear-plugs, then I consider that a problem.
Now to address the psycho-social factor. Are loud exhausts an influential factor as to why some people hate motorcyclists? Maybe. But I don't think it's ultimately what causes road rage between motorcyclists and drivers, which is what really matters. Have you seen the YouTube videos of "bikes vs. cagers"? Not ONE of the vehicle drivers yell, "You and your loud exhausts ruining my day, blah, blah, blah!" It's always, "You cut me off!", or "You got too close to me!", etc. In any case, I'll wait for the study to suggest or disprove that theory in the next edition of Journal of Sociology.
On that same token, even with my exhaust which sounds like someone tearing canvas x100, I usually do not pin it or enter RPMs above 4k. Yeah, sometimes I am ripping it around town, but it's usually during night on the freeway. And frankly, I think some people enjoy hearing those moments. I have had numerous people comment on the sound of my exhaust. They all said it's loud, but they liked the "race" tone.
So yeah loud pipes ftw.
|Sep 22nd, 2017 5:58 pm|
Yeah, the two questions on the poll are just not nearly good enough. As many people have said, there is a bit of loudness that is good for safety, performance, and acoustics.
I used to be solidly in the camp that quiet is better, having lived in mostly rural areas. In June, I was broadsided on my Tiger Explorer while moving through traffic in a roundabout. I had the right of way, I saw the driver and she had plenty of time to see me, I assumed that she would stop at the entrance to the roundabout, as I did not imagine she was not paying attention to the ONE DIRECTION YOU NEED TO LOOK WHILE ENTERING A ROUNDABOUT... and yet, she drove through my bike as if it weren't there. Fortunately I walked away from that accident, the car struck my crash guards and I was tossed off, almost harmlessly (got a contusion on my foot that took a few months to heal, but not serious).
This is relevant, because the Tiger Explorer is a QUIET bike.
My multi, with stock exhaust, is certainly not a loud bike a la straight pipe cruisers, but it's a good deal louder than the Tiger, and I DO see people look at me more often than when I was on the Tiger. The only real difference is the amount of noise I'm making, which is enough to announce my presence. The Tiger may as well have been another car.
I also frequently ride an electric bicycle in and around the city (Boston). The one I'm riding now goes about 30 mph, and I'm building another that will be able to do twice that, so it's basically an electric motorcycle... I'm honestly a little bit concerned that the lack of noise will be a safety issue, and am considering adding an electric horn.
|Sep 16th, 2017 8:23 pm|
|rideordie||I think dspear's post makes the distinction, there is sounding loud and sounding good. It's like all those guys that put a really loud muffler on their Honda Civic's and a Ferrari with a Tubi or Novitec exhaust. Both are loud but only one sounds good!|
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