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|Oct 16th, 2015 11:59 pm|
Just ordered some of that davy....Oil change next weekend :-)
Originally Posted by davy.j View Post
|Oct 16th, 2015 10:09 am|
The DVT Multistrada's have the "Shell Advanced" sticker. Normally I don't worry much about what the manufacturer recommends (I use one form or another of Mobile Synthetic on everything else I own) but with the DVT components oil operated I was a bit more cautious than I'd otherwise be. However... my dealer sold me Motul 300V (a liter of top off oil... my bike was down 200ml at 9000 miles) so it's probably not much of a concern after all.
'Severe Duty' is pretty subjective... on cars I considered it severe duty if I tracked it. With the DVT MTS I'd probably consider it severe duty if the amount of time in 'Sport' mode exceeded 500-1000 miles between oil changes. I've got 11k on the bike now and probably 400 miles total in Sport (less than 5%).
If I had a Panigale I'd likely change the oil at half recommended rate because I'd be thrashing that beast every time I rode it.
|Oct 16th, 2015 9:56 am|
Shifting usually goes to crap between 3000 - about 3700 on my bike depending on oil brand. Indication it's sheared and time to change. I typically change at about 1/2 the normal service interval. Manufacturers will also usually specify that under severe service the oil should be changed sooner, often at about 1/2 the non-severe or normal interval. What they define as "severe service" is often pretty close to some folks driving/riding habits.
Also, with wet clutch bikes we may be getting some amount clutch plate friction material in the oil. It would seem to build up over time and filter efficiency may or may not address the issue, but one would wonder about build up of abrasives in the oil such as clutch material.
|Oct 16th, 2015 4:50 am|
It's not rocket science... just fit an oil pressure gauge and you can see the pressure drop as the oil reaches it's use by date in a bike.
FWIW I use this stuff. http://www.penriteoil.com.au/product...d_products=426
Just found out they make this stuff so might look into it next as it looks good.
|Oct 15th, 2015 8:09 pm|
|Thirdrail||The same could be stated for your theory; the only thing at risk is your wallet, so just stick to manufacturers OCI's!|
|Oct 15th, 2015 2:28 pm|
Originally Posted by Shazaam View Post
When someone says "Well I change my oil every 3000 miles, it's cheap insurance", I think fundamentally what they're saying is that they don't trust vehicle manufacturers to give them a data driven 'limit' for oil durability (including a reasonable safety margin). That's fine with me if it's your bag... but I've never seen any objective data that begins to indicate that any of them are misleading us. Ducati have defined a 9000 mile service life for engine oil on my bike, in the absence of data establishing empirically that they're wrong I'm going to have to take them at their word... because they're the experts not me.
Mobile 1 warranties one of their full syn's against oil based engine failure even with a 15,000 mile service interval (automotive). There is a LOT of data establishing that the 1500 and 3000 mile service intervals of the past were established (at least partly) due to leaded gas, and manufacturers increased recommended service intervals to the ~5k-10k mi range the same time they switched to unleaded.
IMO it's the same human idiosyncrasy that has driven tens of thousands of (otherwise) intelligent parents to conclude that getting their children immunized is a bad idea even though the VAST majority of competent Medical experts say it should be done - we get just enough information to form an opinion then stubbornly stick with it even if it has no valid data underpinning it. This is even more prevalent when there's a perceived risk associated with following expert recommendations. Luckily with engine oil (as opposed to immunizations) the only thing at risk is your wallet... so change away if it gives you peace of mind!
|Oct 14th, 2015 12:57 pm|
|Thirdrail||Mobil does make a 20w50. I use the 15w50 on my bike w/ the dry clutch.|
|Oct 14th, 2015 9:52 am|
I thought I found it, but no, not the motorcycle racing version of 15W-50 - just the racing car version.
|Oct 14th, 2015 7:07 am|
Originally Posted by spinoli1 View Post
Dear God if I could get my hands on the 15W-50 viscosity of Mobil 1 Racing 4T I would use it all day long. It is available only in 10W-40 here in the states. Mobil 1 uses Alkylated Naphthalene a Group V (5) synthetic oil as the additive solubility agent in the Racing 4T. The base oil is their own proprietary Group III+ product called VISOM made right there in the UK at their Fawley operations. Finally, they blend in some PolyAlphaOlefin (PAO) Group IV synthetic to achieve the characteristics of the formulation that make it so good. So it's a full synthetic blend of Group 3, 4, and 5 lubricants. What is unique about AN (Alkylated Naphthalene) is it doesn't compete with additives like zinc etc., for real estate on the metal surfaces like the highly polar esters do (often used as additive solubility agent by other brands). This allows more sacrificial additive compounds to adhere to the metal for better wear protection if hydrodynamic lubrication (wedge of oil film between parts) goes marginal.
All you ever wanted to know about Racing 4T ...
|Oct 13th, 2015 10:34 pm|
|Dave G||4T simply means for Four stroke, 2T is for 2 stroke.|
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