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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old Jun 6th, 2010, 9:59 pm Thread Starter
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tyre tubes or tubeless ... and why care?

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I've read a few previous threads that kind of imply having tyre tubes is not as preferable as having tubeless tyres. If I've read this correct, why is this?

My Paul Smart has Pirelli Phantoms and on the wall is marked - tubeless unless required by rim.
So does the standard PS spoked rim require tubes?

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So does the standard PS spoked rim require tubes?
yes, and the tubes (and spoked rims) are heavy so it affects the handling.. and if you get a flat it's a pain in the ass compared to getting a flat with tubeless tires.
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it's the holes for the spokes that make the rims require tubes.

there are a few options though for spoked tubless rims:

alpinas have a special system that allows them to be sealed air tight. they are sexy but not cheap.

the other alternative is some have silicone sealed their spoked rims, making them air tight and allowing their rims to run tubeless. there is some debate as to how frequently these seals fail, though im guessing many on this forum have enough miles on their sealed spoked rims to give solid evidence in favor or against the idea.

finally, you can swap out the spoked rims for a forged (non-spoked) set for the greatest weight savings and improvement to handling.

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You can run tubeless tyres with tubes or without.

You can only run tube type tyres with tubes.

SC's run tubes because of the retro styled spoked wheels. Other than looks (and some don't even agree on this point), tubeless is better in all respects - lighter, easier to change, easier to fix punctures, less likely to fail suddenly.

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The classically-styled spoked wheels are a compromise made for the sake of appearance. For many of us (but obviously not all) they are part and parcel with the whole sport classic thing.

Are they as good as modern, tubeless, alloy wheels? Nope. Is the compromise worth it? Only you can decide.

Personally If I didn't want 'em I'd have bought a different bike. A Monster perhaps.

Been riding since 1967. I've never had a blow out and had just one flat in all those years. I'm sure that colors my viewpoint.

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You can run tubeless tyres with tubes or without.

You can only run tube type tyres with tubes. . .
I'm doing just that - replaced my GT's OEM Michelin Pilot Classics with Pilot Road 2s

I'm ambivalent about the stock wheels - love the classic look but don't love cleaning them. Since I'm not an agressive rider, I think if I ever replace them it'll be because of too much rust\oxidation rather than for performance advantages. Then I'll have to decide whether to go the bargain route and just get some used PS wheels with the aluminum rim, or the not so bargain route - OZ bronze 5 spoke casters that remind me a bit of those on the old Darmahs circa '80.

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I'm on my third set of Pirelli Corsa IIIs on my PS1000. I'm still using the stock tubes though. Probably will replace the tubes with the next set though. Never a problem. I do hate cleaning spokes though.

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I'm doing just that - replaced my GT's OEM Michelin Pilot Classics with Pilot Road 2s

I'm ambivalent about the stock wheels - love the classic look but don't love cleaning them. Since I'm not an agressive rider, I think if I ever replace them it'll be because of too much rust\oxidation rather than for performance advantages. Then I'll have to decide whether to go the bargain route and just get some used PS wheels with the aluminum rim, or the not so bargain route - OZ bronze 5 spoke casters that remind me a bit of those on the old Darmahs circa '80.
There are many options for wheels - it's only the GT1000's that have heavy chrome rims - my SC1000 and all other models come with ali rims same as PS. If you were in Singapore I could sell you my stock SC wheels - or there are other stock Duc wheels which fit - I'm running ST4 wheels I think.

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There are many options for wheels - it's only the GT1000's that have heavy chrome rims - my SC1000 and all other models come with ali rims same as PS. If you were in Singapore I could sell you my stock SC wheels - or there are other stock Duc wheels which fit - I'm running ST4 wheels I think.

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Thanks Brett - I forgot the SC1000 uses the same wheels as the PS. That works out well for us GT owners since quite a few SC and PS owners upgrade wheels and then sell their OEM wheels, providing a nice upgrade for GT owners at a modest price.

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Gone Tubeless

In preparation for attending Reg Pridmore's school on the Streets of Willow at the end of the month, (and because Nicky Hayden didn't draw my ticket at Laguna Seca) I took my wheels and a set of Dunlop Q2s to Ride Wright Wheels in Anaheim, CA last week.
Naturally, the weather has precluded any serious runs on the butt dyno but I can say that the proprietor of Ride Wright, Mr. Sam Wakim is a pleasure to do business with and he sealed my rims for not much more than the price of a pair of tubes.
Anyway, about four pounds of inner tubes are in my garage instead of in my tires and as said before, if you are going to lose weight on your bike, there is no better place than inside the tires.

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