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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old May 27th, 2019, 11:53 am Thread Starter
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Ethanol treatment?

Hi guys, are there any good additive for fuel that contains Ethanol?

Is Star Tron ok, I was told to use this by a buddy. He uses it on his R1 when he cant get Ethanol free gasoline.

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Hi guys, are there any good additive for fuel that contains Ethanol?

Is Star Tron ok, I was told to use this by a buddy. He uses it on his R1 when he cant get Ethanol free gasoline.
Nice problem to have! here in CA there's no ethanol free gas unless you buy race gas or av gas.

Modern bikes handle E10 just fine. Is a plastic tank and swelling issue your concern? Or long term storage? Both have a simple solution. Ride it more...

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I use Startron, works great stops ethanol gas stratification and as a stabiliser for storage also, but then again that's just my experience...
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I've had good results with Stabil 360 Marine

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Ok thanks everyone!

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SeaFoam is popular and seems to work well.
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I would add Startron to the list.

My procedure for uncoated tanks is to fill them to the brim with shit gas and add Startron to neutralize the crap and Stabil to keep it alive for more than two weeks.
For coated or plastic tanks, I remove the gas if the bike is going to sit but, otherwise, Rule #1 applies.
I have a no E guy near me that is close to reasonable so I use that also for stuff that sits, but still follow the Rule #1 additives.
I have also been known to cut the shit gas with AVGAS or racing fuel to lower the shit %.
For bikes that have been sitting off season with 4-5 month old Rule #1 gas, I remove the gas and replace it with new Rule #1 gas and then ride it.
My lawn mower and pickup truck are the recipients of the old Rule #1 gas.
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As a test, the local Ducati shop set up three jars of identical E10 premium fuel with an uncoated non-stainless metal screw floating in the bottom to be allowed to be exposed similar to an uncoated metal tank. They then dropped in a few ounces of tap water. One jar was untreated, one used Seafoam and one used K100. They've been sitting out at the parts counter for a few years now; they set it up thinking Seafoam would win because it's the market choice.

The untreated jar is a hot mess of rusty brown juice and the screw looks like a meth addicts tooth. The Seafoam shows discoloration and water separation, but the water mixes back in with some simple agitation; the screw is oxidized but whole. The K100 treatment looks like fresh gas, the screw looks untouched and the water remains separated regardless of the amount of agitation.

It's a really effective demonstration and K100 is now my stabilizer of choice.

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OK, so I was off a little bit. It was Sta-Bil, Star-Tran and K100, and it was with a nut, not a bolt. When I asked when these were set up the answer I got was, "I don't remember, four or five years ago maybe? It's been too long, I'd have to do the math." A picture is worth a thousand words, here are two.




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Note test being 4-5 years old, though not stipulated, they no doubt used the old, original red Stabil. The newer blend 360 much more potent and effective, IMHO and experience.

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