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post #31 of 38 (permalink) Old Apr 5th, 2008, 8:14 pm
 
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I love my 800ss. But give me back my old Hodaka "pack rat". now THAT, was an emeffin motorcycle. so there.
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post #32 of 38 (permalink) Old Apr 5th, 2008, 8:47 pm
 
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Personally, I'll keep experiencing every motorcycle I can, of every type I can, from every country I can. And I'll buy every one I can afford and find time to ride.
Ditto.

I still want to ride a Ural sidecar and a Can-Am Spyder... Last year I got the chance to try out a '07 R1 and MT-01: both were great experiences - but not bikes I would ever buy for myself.
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I find quotes like these very interesting and quite typical of most of the members here.

I cut my teeth on Japanese bikes and loved them all. No two of them were alike and I had many.

I made the mistake a few weeks ago of test riding the 2008 busa and had to have one (pic below) to join Lola in the garage. I rode the Kawasaki ZX14 too at the same dealership. The two bikes were as different as they could be to ride.

I have since joined 2 busa forums and ALL they talk about is speed and power and how to increase both. Strangely, not a single member of either forum has run down another manufacturer's product. A bit of light-hearted ZX14 teasing is about it.

I love my SS, but in comparison to the busa she is rough, jittery, and sloooow (although prettier, easier to work on, and way more flickable to be sure).

You wanna stick to one manufacturer and run down all the bikes made by an entire country that's your privilege. But you're missing out on a whole lot of good clean fun!
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I have ridden many, and I honestly cannot tell a major difference in a powerband between any of them except the biggest bores, and even then, all sound virtually the same and look equally over the top. I know a Harley when I hear it, A Ducati when I hear it, and a Vacuum Cleaner with no baffle when I hear it (Japanese Bikes)..CBR? GSX R? cant tell. Add an exaust system and a swarm of bees comes to mind.

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I love my SS, but in comparison to the busa she is rough, jittery, and sloooow (although prettier, easier to work on, and way more flickable to be sure).
Dude, I like your other bikes, and try not to take any offense to this cause I am nobody, but that busa you posted might possibly be the most unattractive bike I have seen on this forum. There is no amount of power (50% of which is virtually unuseable anyway) that would ever make me get on that thing. Just my opinon, but that thing has zero cache. Judging by your good taste in other bikes I am shocked you would even own one of those. But if you love it, good for you.

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I have been there done that, and I am not running them down by sayng they all feel the same. They are quality machines and they have their place....in someone elses garage.


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Dude, I like your other bikes, and try not to take any offense to this cause I am nobody, but that busa you posted might possibly be the most unattractive bike I have seen on this forum. There is no amount of power (50% of which is virtually unuseable anyway) that would ever make me get on that thing. Just my opinon, but that thing has zero cache. Judging by your good taste in other bikes I am shocked you would even own one of those. But if you love it, good for you.
No argument from me about the appearance. My SS is infinitely more elegant, but I did not buy the busa for its looks. Although I have to say the muscular lump of a bike is growing on me.

Where I disagree totally is the power being unusable (although I would have agreed with you before I'd ridden one). I will never take this thing to the limit unless I get into drag racing (and you'd be surprised how many busa owners do drag them), but all that power still makes it a blast to ride, and the difference is glaringly apparent if I ride the busa then jump on the SS.

I know it sounds counterintuitive, but having all that power and torque on tap makes the busa SO much more forgiving and easy to ride. I can cruise around town at 2000rpm in top (around 45mph), pull on to the freeway and accelerate to 70 in no time flat without dropping a single cog.

If I still lived in England or Maine or Vermont I doubt I'd want any other bike than the SS, but I don't. There are very few roads in north Texas where I can use all that handling because the road surfaces here are crap, particularly in the bends. Again, it may seem odd, but the busa handles better on these roads because the MUCH lower height and extra weight makes it feel more solid on uneven pavement. For the same reasons it is far less affected by the strong Texas cross winds (the SS feels like a kite sometimes).

No way I'da bought a busa if I hadn't been talked into test riding one by the dealer. Certainly its looks weren't the deciding factor. But its smooth, apparently infinite power combined with its comfortable riding position, light clutch, smooth gearbox, and quiet, growling exhaust note make it a pure joy to ride.

In short, we will have to just disagree. Bikes are like religion...no amount of persuasion will be affective in convincing a true believer he is wrong.

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Ok. Got a little back-to-back-to-back riding time w/ the CBR and the Duc.

Yes: the Duc is better around town. Happily totes my fat arse around at low speeds and, without complaint, pulls cleanly from lights (we have too many lights and too few roundabouts here) and has a very easy-to-ride linear power delivery that has no issue holding 60km/h speeds (~40mph) all afternoon long. Not to mention is has the sound that confounds the crap out of the Harley riders. The CBR has better handling and, once moving above 30km/h (~20mph); has far better power delivery (read: more power).

I gotta improve the handling of the Duc.
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No argument from me about the appearance. My SS is infinitely more elegant, but I did not buy the busa for its looks. Although I have to say the muscular lump of a bike is growing on me.

Where I disagree totally is the power being unusable (although I would have agreed with you before I'd ridden one). I will never take this thing to the limit unless I get into drag racing (and you'd be surprised how many busa owners do drag them), but all that power still makes it a blast to ride, and the difference is glaringly apparent if I ride the busa then jump on the SS.

I know it sounds counterintuitive, but having all that power and torque on tap makes the busa SO much more forgiving and easy to ride. I can cruise around town at 2000rpm in top (around 45mph), pull on to the freeway and accelerate to 70 in no time flat without dropping a single cog.

If I still lived in England or Maine or Vermont I doubt I'd want any other bike than the SS, but I don't. There are very few roads in north Texas where I can use all that handling because the road surfaces here are crap, particularly in the bends. Again, it may seem odd, but the busa handles better on these roads because the MUCH lower height and extra weight makes it feel more solid on uneven pavement. For the same reasons it is far less affected by the strong Texas cross winds (the SS feels like a kite sometimes).

No way I'da bought a busa if I hadn't been talked into test riding one by the dealer. Certainly its looks weren't the deciding factor. But its smooth, apparently infinite power combined with its comfortable riding position, light clutch, smooth gearbox, and quiet, growling exhaust note make it a pure joy to ride.

In short, we will have to just disagree. Bikes are like religion...no amount of persuasion will be affective in convincing a true believer he is wrong.
I can see the power making it easier to ride, fair enough. I had a fiji1200 and it was nice not to have to downshift on the freeway to pass. I just think they lack the character that brings me to Duck.

You do realize how fucking cool that bonneville looks right? I mean, I am becoming a fan of older eclectic bikes. Maybe I am just too old (40) and I beat the shit out of my FZ750 when I bought it new, and this weekend I went up nine to alices rest. and just enjoyed the Sound of the Duck in the trees.

I appreciate you not getting butt hurt about the criticism of the Busa, cause I was just trying to be honest. Seems like you love it, and that is all that matters.


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You do realize how fucking cool that bonneville looks right? I mean, I am becoming a fan of older eclectic bikes.
I do indeed. It remains by far the best bike to ride on city streets I have ridden. It shares the same elegant simplicity of the SS, well even simpler really because it is carbed, but is MUCH smoother and the clutch is the lightest ever (a cable by the way, not hydraulic). People ask me all the time if I renovated it myself.

The wife loves that I bought the busa, cos now she gets to ride her bike occasionally.

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with an Ohlins shock, maxxed out ride height, race-tech fork springs, sticky rubber and cerriani damper, my SS absolutely rails corners. i can run with anything on the street through the corners.

i might be dusted on the straights, but if the road stays tight, all they're going to see is the back of a 14 year old Duc!

viva Ducati!

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