748 more powerful than a 916? - Ducati.ms - The Ultimate Ducati Forum
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 48 (permalink) Old Jul 23rd, 2019, 7:20 pm Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Desimoto's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 305
748 more powerful than a 916?

So, I was looking through my Haynes manual, and the specifications are 98bhp for a 748 Biposto, 100.3bhp for an SPS. Okay, sounds about eight.

But then I look at the specs for the 916.
97bhp for the Strada/biposto.
🤔
Now, mind you the redlines are different, with the 748 being listed at 11,000rpm, 9,000 for the 916, therefore one may assume by theory that the 916 power and is more "usable" on the bigger displacement Duc, and the torque is higher on the 916 (only 5ft.lbs., vs. the SPS, data not available on the biposto), but does the 748 really make 1hp more than the mighty 916?
Desimoto is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 48 (permalink) Old Jul 23rd, 2019, 8:44 pm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 1,181
no.
PeterS and Namor like this.

know all wanker
belter is online now  
post #3 of 48 (permalink) Old Jul 23rd, 2019, 8:52 pm
Prolific Poster Award
 
ProphetPVD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Mystic, CT, United States
Posts: 4,790
Garage
Mine does...
xracer likes this.

ProphetPVD
'02 748R, #0954
ProphetPVD is offline  
 
post #4 of 48 (permalink) Old Jul 23rd, 2019, 9:21 pm
Senior Member
 
sburns2421's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lebanon, MO, USA
Posts: 976
Garage
A well-running 748R would definitely be on par if not above a 916 in peak hp, as prophet says.
ProphetPVD likes this.

1990 851, 2003 999, 2016 1299S, 1985 VF1000R (restoration project)
sburns2421 is offline  
post #5 of 48 (permalink) Old Jul 23rd, 2019, 10:02 pm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Boyertown, PA, USA
Posts: 320
I have always felt that it is more important to look at where in the RPM range a bike (or car, for that matter) makes its power and for how long, perhaps in the form as a graph. Only then can one do a true comparison with another bike of HP/torque at a given RPM and then relate that to what you want in a bike. I test rode an R6 once (once!) and while it makes more hp than my 916, it's only for an instant and at a million RPM . For me, being a twins guy, it was unridable. I remember way back that Cycle mag used to do this and have seen such on and off in various mags doing comparos, but it's not consistent. Saying that this or that makes more total HP is not really a relevant or contextual comparison.

Failure is not an option 1995 Duc 916,1994 Bim DB2,1986 Duc MHR Mille, 1974 Duc 750 Sport, 1965 Duc Monza
casor is offline  
post #6 of 48 (permalink) Old Jul 23rd, 2019, 10:07 pm Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Desimoto's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 305
Quote:
Originally Posted by sburns2421 View Post
A well-running 748R would definitely be on par if not above a 916 in peak hp, as prophet says.
No doubt. But still, the standard Biposto is showing to have 1bhp more than the 916. That is what has been throwing me.


Quote:
Originally Posted by casor View Post
I have always felt that it is more important to look at where in the RPM range a bike (or car, for that matter) makes its power and for how long, perhaps in the form as a graph. Only then can one do a true comparison with another bike of HP/torque at a given RPM and then relate that to what you want in a bike. I test rode an R6 once (once!) and while it makes more hp than my 916, it's only for an instant and at a million RPM . For me, being a twins guy, it was unridable. I remember way back that Cycle mag used to do this and have seen such on and off in various mags doing comparos, but it's not consistent. Saying that this or that makes more total HP is not really a relevant or contextual comparison.
Agreed. Flat, wide curve with a smooth, gradual incline. Like I said, usable power is no doubt in the check box of the 916, but I could not understand the 1bhp more in peak, in the stats. I understand that the 916 would have a better performance, and 1bhp peak would certainly not even be noticable, but the number just sounds strange thatthe 748 would be more than the 916.
Desimoto is offline  
post #7 of 48 (permalink) Old Jul 23rd, 2019, 10:09 pm Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Desimoto's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 305
Quote:
Originally Posted by ProphetPVD View Post
Mine does... <img src="https://www.ducati.ms/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />

Haha.... good answer!
ProphetPVD likes this.
Desimoto is offline  
post #8 of 48 (permalink) Old Jul 23rd, 2019, 10:32 pm
Senior Member
 
loony888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 364
Pretty sure there was a change in how power was quoted by the factory around then, it used to be at the wheel but i _think_ when texas pacific took over they changed the way they stated the bike specs to be in line with the Japanese manufacturers.

So yeah, the 916 makes about 97 HP at the wheel, the 748 and 748SPS power figures are quoted at the flywheel.
ducvet and RockAZ like this.
loony888 is online now  
post #9 of 48 (permalink) Old Jul 23rd, 2019, 11:16 pm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 1,181
748 v 916.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	748 v 916.jpg
Views:	99
Size:	104.4 KB
ID:	949313  
PeterS, ducvet, casor and 2 others like this.

know all wanker
belter is online now  
post #10 of 48 (permalink) Old Jul 23rd, 2019, 11:41 pm Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Desimoto's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 305
Quote:
Originally Posted by belter View Post
748 v 916.
That is more like what I was thinking.

Both stock v stock, I assume?
Desimoto is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Ducati.ms - The Ultimate Ducati Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome