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2019 1260S vs 2019 1260 Pikes Peak choice...looking for opinions

I've decided its time for the 1299S Panigale to go and I'm really interested in a Multistrada, but am a bit stuck on which one.

While I don't like to waste money, the price isn't going to be a determining factor. The forged wheels are a nice upgrade on the PP, not so sure on the Termi can (I have full Akra on the Pani). Don't really care about the carbon on this type of bike.

It really comes down to the suspension. Anyone have direct experience with the Skyhook of the 1260S and the Ohlins on the PP? I like the idea of electronic suspension adjustments, but even with the adjustments is it better/more useful than the Ohlins?

I won't ride the bike two-up much, if at all. Mostly backroad scratching and light touring use. Want to be able to ride all day to get to the best twisties and back.

Why would you choose one vs the other, outside of the price difference?

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I've decided its time for the 1299S Panigale to go and I'm really interested in a Multistrada, but am a bit stuck on which one.

While I don't like to waste money, the price isn't going to be a determining factor. The forged wheels are a nice upgrade on the PP, not so sure on the Termi can (I have full Akra on the Pani). Don't really care about the carbon on this type of bike.

It really comes down to the suspension. Anyone have direct experience with the Skyhook of the 1260S and the Ohlins on the PP? I like the idea of electronic suspension adjustments, but even with the adjustments is it better/more useful than the Ohlins?

I won't ride the bike two-up much, if at all. Mostly backroad scratching and light touring use. Want to be able to ride all day to get to the best twisties and back.

Why would you choose one vs the other, outside of the price difference?

Thanks.
I came off a Panigale 959. Loved it for what it was but needed something for the occasional Two-up. Marital harmony and stuff like that.
My Monster 1200R is now my Hooligan / Sport / Track bike. Wife didn't like the Monster. Too loud and rambunctious.

My dealer was very accommodating and a great salesman. I was lent a Multistrada 1200S for a total of at least 1000Km in aggregate. I had to buy one.
I bought the 1260 Pikes Peak. No regrets.
The only thing I thought I would possibly miss on the Skyhook was the Urban mode for rough patches of road. That's it. Otherwise, it's always in sport.
I wanted the light Forged Marchesini's and the Ohlins.
Ohlins are easily serviceable. Everyone has parts and knowledge for these. Skyhook not as much.
About the ride: Ohlins are sublime. Now that I've had it, I don't miss the on-the-fly adjustability. Suspension is a dream.
How often have you changed the settings on your Panigale 1299S? That should answer your dilemma.
A friend of mine..a wise man.. always says; " Go big or go home".

PS. Irrelevant of your choice, You're going to change the stupid OEM tires. I'm already at the edge and I haven't even dragged anything....and I have a center stand! While I'm not suggesting Supercorsa's, Diablo Rosso III at a minimum based on back-road scratching.

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The current skyhook suspension is a very capable system, and provides for a wide range of use cases at the push of a button. It does not allow for the fine tuning of a manually adjusted suspension like that on the PP will give you, but gives you instant versatility instead.

As far as the value proposition between the two, I can only suggest you do some research and come to your own conclusion. The wheels on the PP are certainly a more expensive to manufacture, higher quality design, and the carbon fiber pieces are a nice visual touch, which matters to some.
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Hi, I’m coming off a 2013 S1000rr and I wish I would have made the switch years earlier. I was kinda on the fence between each model as well. My sales guy who is also a friend told me to go with the Pikes Peak edition and I’m so happy that I did. The lighter wheels alone are worth it, never mind the Ohlins, exhaust, and a sweeter paint job. The Ohlins suspension is unreal, soaks up the bad stuff really good and handles the high speed as well. If the $$ isn’t an issue than I would suggest the Pikes Peak. But you really can’t go wrong with any of them & I'm sure you will be happy with the one that you decide on.
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Two-up & Ohlins Suspension

The Ohlins suspension settings namely, Pre-set, Compression and Rebound Damping on my 2018 Pikes Peak is normally set around Sport. Today, I took the wife out for a ride. Out of simplicity, all I did was max the pre-load on the Ohlins TTX rear shock. Ride was sublime. Had I planned for a week long trip, I would have increased the rebound and the adjusted the front suspension accordingly. However, for a day ride, increasing the rear pre-load, consisting of a couple of turns of the knob, was all it took.

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The Pikes Peak is very cool. If I had to have just one bike in the garage, that would probably be it (or the new Super Duke GT). Fortunately my wife is very understanding . In my scenario (two bikes), my preference is for the 1260S, which I just bought.

Similar to the OP, I don't like to waste money, but price wasn't the deciding factor (FWIW I rode the 950S as well - value is value). In the end, I went with the S for a few good reasons:

  • While I've always liked the PP paint jobs, I've also always wanted to have a red Ducati (it's my first). In previous generations, both would have been very tempting. However, I find the scheme on the 1260 PP very 'meh'. The 1200 with its white streak across and red tank was sheer perfection. But the vertical lines on the 1260 don't work anywhere near as well, and when you sit on it you're looking at a really boring white tank (personal taste but I would never buy a white bike).
  • This goes back to the one-bike garage argument, but I already have the perfect second bike for twisties & tracks. The S was brought in to be much more versatile, load lugging, two-up, long-distance, that kind of thing. I've adjusted the suspension on my other bike twice: once to set the damping & rebound, once more to get the pre-load right. Never touched it after. Even with a remote pre-load adjuster, I just know that I would only use the PP in one setting. The S, with its press-of-the-button adjustments, will serve me much better. It's comfort mode is really smooth, while it's sport mode is more than good enough for what I want to do on a bike like this. And when my wife wants to join, it's just a press of a button.
  • This is again personal taste, but I think any and all carbon is naff (kitsch). I've never wanted it on any car or bike, and when I see it, it always think it look and feels like plastic with a pattern printed on. While I could just about tolerate it on a PP (I did look into a 2nd-hand 1200), I'm not willing to pay a lot extra for it on a new bike.
  • I would love the Marchesini wheels on the PP, real pity that you can't upgrade the S to those. Maybe one day I'll throw some aggressive 70/30 adventure rubber on the standard wheels for grand (gravel included) touring and get me a set of Marchesini's on Rosso IIIs for local riding... but it seems a ton of hassle (and cost) versus just going on the standard wheels with Angel GT IIs (or even the standard Scorpion IIs, which I don't mind but only make sense if there is light gravel involved).
  • I don't care for the looks of the Termi, and it doesn't sound any better than the stock exhaust. Another thing (like the carbon) that makes the PP more expensive for no good reason. Will stick with stock (disabled exhaust flap) first, and if I do switch it would be to that great-looking, twin-exit SC Project muffler.
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I've owned two other Ducatis that had engine only ride modes, and my experience with those bikes was as follows:

1) Buy motorcycle
2) Mess with ride modes for a month or so
3) Set it in sport mode and leave it there forever

I was initially skeptical of the ride modes on the MTS S model as well, but it's hard to describe the different level it's on. I have used all four modes, three on a regular basis, sometimes on the same ride. Engine modes are a gimmick by themselves, but combine them with the ability to change the suspension while riding and it's transformative. I can have a stiffly sprung reactive canyon carver one minute, and a plush interstate mileage eater the next, without stopping.

The PP is a great bike, but Skyhook is what makes the Multistrada a Many Roads motorcycle.
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Loved your post. Your first bullet was right on. The original livery of the PP was better but the new one does grow on you. I'm in the camp that loves the red on white as I came off a white Panigale but we're on the same page.
Bullet two: All I miss is the soft urban mode and then maybe not. When the wife is not on the bike, the MTS is a sportbike.
However, I get the skyhook convenience. It is a nice feature.
Bullet 4: Marchesini's all the way. If I didn't have Marchesini's, then BST carbon.
Perhaps they're farkle & Ohlins too but I'm not complaining. Bikes are emotional and I can't rationalize my decision.

BTW, What's your other bike...you didn't say?

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No experience with Ohlins on a Duc but my Honda 954 had it. I ride the west coast of Vancouver Island, very rough paved roads, potholes, squared of bumps, washboard from logging trucks etc. My 2018 1260 ST in sport mode is brilliant, much more forgiving and safe than my Honda was (OK, the Ohlins are outdated in this comparison). I also love touring mode for, well, touring. If you regularly encounter rough gnarly roads I recommend the 1260 S, otherwise the PP for sportier riding.
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BTW, What's your other bike...you didn't say?
Something with a 765cc engine .
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