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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old Mar 3rd, 2018, 11:36 am Thread Starter
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2015/17 DVT vs 2018 1260 low rpm comparison

Greetings , been following some of the posts on new 1260 being stronger / smoother /more linear torque curve power band (on dyno graphs) and rider reports,
but my question is more specific..does the new 1260 bike/engine have the same the same jerky/hesitation/surge/stumble/chugging issues at "Down Low" rpm (idle to 3-4 k)
as my new 2016 P/P has ? I know others have had similar issues like me...but has Ducati fixed any of that unacceptable behavior for 2018??? Really sucks !
( I have voiced many complaints on my "fueling issues" on the forum before)

I'm not a happy camper, and cannot live with this crap..I plan to try a 2018 maybe next month , and compare them myself, ..schedule /weather/personal issues permitting ...
I've been only able to put about 200 miles on my bike, and would like to do my first service at that time, and have any downloads/updates on my bike that haven't been done..done
but I'm not getting a warm-fuzzy feeling that fixing my problem ...and from reliable sources I have.. nobody has an aftermarket /true/ fix/ecu flash for the 15-17 DVT's
I know the Termi comes with an ecu change that is a big help,weight/heat/performance wise...but that comes with a big cost/ noise/ and liability issues

Having had lots of Ducati's since the 70's , I was really looking forward to this one,( better suited for my old tired body/bones ) but I'm trying to decide what to do going forward
Do I throw more money / do service etc on the 2016 P/P ,in hopes of a fix or keep the miles down , take a hit and put more money towards a 18 S , (2018 P/P not a good financial option)
would like to keep the one I have , but am I dreaming to think there is a viable solution for this mess ?

Appreciate any feedback
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post #2 of 32 (permalink) Old Mar 3rd, 2018, 11:59 am
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I have a 2015 1200s, had two ecu flash fixes and sensor replacement all from Ducati service at my dealer, service bulletins.
My bike runs real smooth, nothing like your saying:

"jerky/hesitation/surge/stumble/chugging issues at "Down Low" rpm (idle to 3-4 k) "



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I have a 2015 1200s, had two ecu flash fixes and sensor replacement all from Ducati service at my dealer, service bulletins.
My bike runs real smooth, nothing like your saying:

"jerky/hesitation/surge/stumble/chugging issues at "Down Low" rpm (idle to 3-4 k) "



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I also have a 2015 model and experience none of the problems the poster describes.
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In the end it's about whether you enjoy riding the bike... Clearly, OP does not and my money is on him never getting there with the 2016.

My recommendation is to test ride the 2018... if it fits the bill, I would wait six months and pick up a lightly used S or even a PP. In 2017 I was quoted a hair over $19,000 (not including sales tax) to have a new 2016 PP shipped across the country to me.

... in any case, it seems to me that what the OP is actually looking for is the 2017 1200GS... model was updated last year and used examples could probably be had for $16,500...

Life is short and there are so many different bikes out there that struggling with one does not really seem worth it.
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Hey Quaaack, send me a PM with your contact info. I might be able to help you out.
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I have none of those issues on my 2015 1200 S either. But I do have full Termi with Termi flash. I bought it that way and have no idea how it runs stock.
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In the end it's about whether you enjoy riding the bike... Clearly, OP does not and my money is on him never getting there with the 2016.

My recommendation is to test ride the 2018... if it fits the bill, I would wait six months and pick up a lightly used S or even a PP. In 2017 I was quoted a hair over $19,000 (not including sales tax) to have a new 2016 PP shipped across the country to me.

... in any case, it seems to me that what the OP is actually looking for is the 2017 1200GS... model was updated last year and used examples could probably be had for $16,500...

Life is short and there are so many different bikes out there that struggling with one does not really seem worth it.
What the guy is complaining about sounds like the nature of a twin... he should get out of Ducati and buy an XR or a Triumph Explorer - he'll be much happier with their power delivery.
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I have a 2015 1200S and have had several flashes done over the past few years. Mine runs really well with zero issues. I have had a BUNCH of ducs since the 90’s and this has been the smoothest by a good bit.
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I have a 2015 1200S and have had several flashes done over the past few years. Mine runs really well with zero issues. I have had a BUNCH of ducs since the 90’s and this has been the smoothest by a good bit.
Agree... my cousin has a 13S and power wise it feels identical to my 15S... with the one exception being at low rpm where the 15 gives you maybe 500rpm more usable range. Before I started changing gearing (so they were both identical) he'd generally be one gear higher than me in lower speed areas (towns).

However... while the DVT IS smoother at low rpm, it's still rough compared to my Tiger for instance (which is silky smooth into the 2k range). It just depends on what you want... when I was loafing I'd find myself running the DVT at higher rpm than the Tiger (mid-high 3k range vs mid-high 2k range) and up there it was plenty smooth and got the same fuel economy as the tiger (low 50's). This was before gearing and performance updates that will certainly ding mileage.

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What the guy is complaining about sounds like the nature of a twin... he should get out of Ducati and buy an XR or a Triumph Explorer - he'll be much happier with their power delivery.
Agree... I just recommended the GS because it's a twin and I think smoother than the KTM. Pretty sure given the sensitivity to one of the smoother twin motors out there (DVT), I'm pretty sure OP will be sensitive to XR vibrations.
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