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Does any owner of a '15, ' 16, or '17 DVT feel that their bike lacks stability at high speeds? I haven't heard complaints here. I love the agility of my '17 and of the '15 before it. I would not want to lose agility for more stability. I'll need to ride an '18 to know for sure how the changes to the geometry affect the bike in my world.
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Does any owner of a '15, ' 16, or '17 DVT feel that their bike lacks stability at high speeds? I haven't heard complaints here. I love the agility of my '17 and of the '15 before it. I would not want to lose agility for more stability. I'll need to ride an '18 to know for sure how the changes to the geometry affect the bike in my world.
I've had my 15 moving right along a couple times and never felt there was a stability problem. I HAVE felt the front end was too light when I had the bike loaded up but adjusting the suspension helped most of that (though I really need a heavier spring, which afaik nobody makes yet).

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But how many of you guys who like your pre-2018 MTS bikes grew up with sport bikes? I grew up off road and still prefer the handling of a 19" or 21" front tire. I love my Monster 821 (apart from two oil leaks that has me partially convinced to NOT chance any new water cooled Ducati) and know that it is a wicked cornering machine compared to anything else I have ridden but can't see the changes made to the MTS being anything but positive for anyone other than a track rider. Now that may be a real issue for some of you but for most riders who want a sport touring bike, the changes may be very worthwhile. If the bikes goes from 90/10 to 85/15 in favor or sport to touring I'll be better off. But if the change is 70/30 or god forbid 60/40 then that is too radical.

Ducati needs to balance this as best they can. If they take away too much performance then buyers will now longer see themselves as getting a really hot bike that happens to do a great job of touring. It is one thing to alienate, say the 5% of the riders who really want max performance but will be okay with just a little bit less. It is another thing altogether to alienate the other 95% like me who still want a sport tourer but if they turn the bike into BMW then there is no reason to buy the Ducati. If Lamborghini or Ferrari start to over emphasize posh appointments, comfort and rear visibility and switch power plants to tuborcharged inline 4's they'll lose not just the hard core race drivers but all the other buyers who want real high performance but still a somewhat radical race car and not a civilized Honda or BMW. We have Japan and Germany for that.

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Does any owner of a '15, ' 16, or '17 DVT feel that their bike lacks stability at high speeds? I haven't heard complaints here. I love the agility of my '17 and of the '15 before it. I would not want to lose agility for more stability. I'll need to ride an '18 to know for sure how the changes to the geometry affect the bike in my world.
Yep I think the 2016 DVT is less stable than my 2011 with Ohlins SCU. Especially at high speed corners. I did some trackdays on the old one, pretty stable. I did 1 trackday on the new one, scared.... Also on highways never had any problems with panniers mounted, on the 2016 DVT you have to stop at 200km/u because of the wiggle
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Yep I think the 2016 DVT is less stable than my 2011 with Ohlins SCU. Especially at high speed corners. I did some trackdays on the old one, pretty stable. I did 1 trackday on the new one, scared.... Also on highways never had any problems with panniers mounted, on the 2016 DVT you have to stop at 200km/u because of the wiggle
btw i bought the new 1260, so I'm very curious to see if the high speed corner handling is better

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on the 2016 DVT you have to stop at 200km/u because of the wiggle
Iíve been at those speed without issues (not long cruising, though. Only a few minutes at a time) What tires were you running? I stick to Pirelli angel GTís

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Iíve been at those speed without issues (not long cruising, though. Only a few minutes at a time) What tires were you running? I stick to Pirelli angel GTís
Angel GT me too. And before you ask, tire pressure was good.

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Iíve been at those speed without issues (not long cruising, though. Only a few minutes at a time) What tires were you running? I stick to Pirelli angel GTís
As long as no one's looking, Iíll add, ďMe too.Ē My Ducati Link app shows a highest recorded speed a little north of 120mph, hit on a long straight section in one of the valleys east of here. Donít recall any particular twitchiness. 10/10, would do again.
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How come the hp and torque are less on the new one but cc displacement is bigger? Will fuel economy be less as well?


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