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post #11 of 41 (permalink) Old Jun 13th, 2017, 7:43 am
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I break the bead with a 2 x 4 bolted to the workbench.
Wrestle the tire off with a couple of tire irons.
I use a Marc Parnes balancer.
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I use a NoMar older model. I think it was about $700 for all of the attachments and accessories.
I use a NoMar also. I got mine at Laguna Seca one year. Show special....I think I paid $499 for it. Shipped to my house too. Best investment in my garage I've ever made besides my welders.

It just makes doing tires so much easier. I have multiple bikes to take care of, so inevitably, at least one, sometimes two need new tires in the course of a year. I can take care of my own plus my riding buddies. I do others too, for beers.

I use a Harbor Freight special for a balancer. I paid less than $40 for it, and it is not discernibly different to any of the others I've seen around the interwebz. I use K&L stick on weights that I got through Cycle Gear. I've had a box of weights now for at least 4 years and I'm not going to run out anytime soon.....sean

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I use a NoMar also. I got mine at Laguna Seca one year. Show special....I think I paid $499 for it. Shipped to my house too. Best investment in my garage I've ever made besides my welders.

It just makes doing tires so much easier. I have multiple bikes to take care of, so inevitably, at least one, sometimes two need new tires in the course of a year. I can take care of my own plus my riding buddies. I do others too, for beers.

I use a Harbor Freight special for a balancer. I paid less than $40 for it, and it is not discernibly different to any of the others I've seen around the interwebz. I use K&L stick on weights that I got through Cycle Gear. I've had a box of weights now for at least 4 years and I'm not going to run out anytime soon.....sean
I bought the "big kit" It came with a lot of stuff, important stuff like the stuff you need to balance a wheel from a single sided swing arm

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You guys gotta lube up!
Warm hooker spit is best but very expensive...
Do the shops balance the wheels properly???
Oh Sure we do, the wheel just turns out to be a perfect balance so no weights needed....
I am suspect...
Don't cha hate it when there are too many weights?
And the new kid at the shop is the tire changer grunting away with your beautifull expensive rims...

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I would love a tire changer thingy but I can't mount it to anything where I'm at. Trickiest part is getting the tire to sit into the rim...I'm always tearing the tire on the last little bit, still seals but geeesh so sketchy some times...

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I use the Marc Parnes balancer too. Great little tool. I'll support the ends with jack stands or buckets.

Of course, some would say dynabeads are the way to go for tire balancing. But that's a whole 'nuther thread.

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Of course, some would say dynabeads are the way to go for tire balancing. But that's a whole 'nuther thread.
Beads for me. Never going back to stick on weights, unless I am planning on track time. I have read the beads can be an issue with track tires. Something about the inner liner and the heat generated causing them to clump up with rubber. No idea if true, but...

Street? They are wonderful.

I do change my own tires. I use a simple table top deal with a bead breaker, rim protectors and tire irons. A little muscle needed, but not too bad and it's an every other year thing for me with two bike to wear out.

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I bought the "big kit" It came with a lot of stuff, important stuff like the stuff you need to balance a wheel from a single sided swing arm
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When I bought mine, I had no need of stuff for balancing a wheel from a single sided swing arm. I didn't have a 996 to worry about back then. Now I do, but I've plenty of time to order a set......the 996 won't need tires for at least a season.
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Don't cha hate it when there are too many weights?
Absolutely do. Not just on my bikes either. However, having worked in a shop changing tires I can say with certainty, quality tires (and tubes) make a big difference in how many weights are required.

I had numerous customers opt for cheap tubes and there was enough of a heavy spot that those rims required more than the usual weight to balance. Then I had one customer who would not buy any tubes save for Michelin. His Sport 1000 rear wheel was so sweet on the balance machine, I need a single weight to get it perfect.

I loved mounting Michelin tires for customers. I couldn't tell how many I did that simply balanced with no weights at all. Probably 75-80% of them. Bridgestone by comparison was the next in line for fewest weights needed, and I probably found 30-40% of the ones I mounted needed no weights at all.

I won't get into beads. I hate them. I didn't like demounting a wheel that had them "installed" as the once the bead broke, tire beads went everywhere. I didn't like installing them, it was a mess to do. Almost always ended up spilling them all over the shop floor.

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I have read the beads can be an issue with track tires. Something about the inner liner and the heat generated causing them to clump up with rubber.
Yep. Happens on street tires too. Kinda like a zilion little snowballs rolling around inside your tire. After a while some begin to "grow" rubber on them, and they skive the rubber off the inside of the tire too. So there is a ton of rubber debris rolling around along with the beads.

I was asked several times to reuse the beads. Forget that. I'd gather as much of the mess of rubber and beads as I could, and put it in a plastic bag for the customer. If they wanna reuse them, be my guest. I'm not spending an hour separating the beads from old rubber to "reinstall" them in a tire.

Water would be less of a head ache and do the same thing. It's also free........sean

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Some tires are more of a pita. Bridgestones have very very stiff carcasses. My VTR loves them but spooning them on was a struggle. Michelin is the opposite and very easy. Sitting them in the sunlight helps as well.



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I used to pay professionals to do it. Last time I payed for it, they scratched my rims badly. So now I do my own tire changes.
I was in the same boat. Last time pizzed me off so much. I looked at the guy and said, "ya know you scratched the hell outta my wheel?" He looked back and told me it was like that when I brought it in. I said bullshit and told him word of mouth travels fast.
Ended up spooning my own for years, till I got a job working on bikes. Machine for me from now on AND I remember that experience and treat every wheel like it's my own.

Beads work, they are in the rear wheel of my Multi now.
I've seen very old ones and have reused em too. Just please don't throw the bag in there (yes they have). Main deal w/ beads is to be very cautious with bead lube. Can't allow any moisture in there with them. No experience w/ race stuff...


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Do the shops balance the wheels properly???
Oh Sure we do, the wheel just turns out to be a perfect balance so no weights needed....
I am suspect...
Don't cha hate it when there are too many weights?
And the new kid at the shop is the tire changer grunting away with your beautifull expensive rims...
Ya know... I've found it happens quite a lot. I'm a tech at a used sportbike shop (not a dealership) and we have a computer balancer. Some tires are better than others, Michelin being one. They do not mark a valve stem spot and quite frequently if the wheel is balanced the tire doesn't require me to move weights. (I'm @ about 120 tires on the season so far)

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So I ordered one of the No-Mar Classic tire changes and also a set of Dunlop Q3s for my Streetfighter. Will let the group here know how well things move along once I get the machine and the tires. Appreciate all the feedback!
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