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Chemical Valley, Sarnia Ontario Canada. Port Huron Michigan.The St. Clair River is shared by both.
Heading west from London one used to see a brown haze every day, Ontario Hydro dismantled their coal fired generating stations. No more haze.
NOVA Chemicals dismantled their Superheaters in their plastics plant. On start up the plant would produce a flare up to 300ish feet high for a week or more.
Well at least they are trying.
Bleching heat and the related pollutants 365 days a year ain't healthy.
While we are at it, lets bash Trump for his endangered species attack.
As a kid we saw blue tailed skinks in the woods. We grew up respecting nature and appreciating nature.
Kids (young people) are 14 to 20 pounds heavier that they were in the Woodstock era. How many kids experience nature, too involved looking at a computer/phonescreen.
We drank koolaid a small packet compared to a dozen juice boxes or plastic bottles. Diapers? Astounding amount of waste.
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[quote]From the Left-Wing Conspirators we know as NASA
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Funny you mention NASA. My late father spent the last decade and some of his working life at Glenn Research Center designing/building/running equipment and processes mostly centered around thin-film technology (his main field since the late 60's). He was very proud when he got the nod as were we all of him. He always liked the group he worked with and things they did. However, at a certain point in time, things changed and the (internally stated) mantra/mission statement rather suddenly changed to 'diversity'. The higher-ups proudly crowed that Glenn was 'the most diverse' Center. Never mind that his group already was, by any normal standard, 'diverse'. So, the 'leaders' priority for the Center was to be diverse. Not make the most important discovery of our time. Or, the most efficient with its budget. Or the lowest call-off rate. Or the most patents. Or anything to do with space, aeronautics, technology, etc. Above all, It had to be 'diverse'. A research center with an agenda of diversity and not research.

So, you may (or may not) understand that I take anything and everything NASA 'finds' or reports a grain of salt or 50.



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My entire career was spent solving complex engineering problems. I can say with much certainty that most of the chatter concerning climate change today is mixture of politics, emotions, some facts, and whole lot of connecting dots to make conclusions fit a narrative. Alot of money has been thrown into the mix on this subject and where there are large sums of money you find corruption. There is not much actual use of the scientific method to obtain conclusions that show proof with any certainty. I have asked many a climate scientist to show me the proof that man is causing global warming. All I get are models of temperature vs time that show a big catastrophe is coming. I ask what certainty are the conclusions drawn: 95% certainty, 80% certainty, 50% certainty? Can you even put a number on it? Certainty is calculated by actually testing a real situation that is a physical model depicting the problem. It is not a mathematical model. How do you obtain a physical model of the entire earths climate system? You cannot because the earth climate is dictated by so many variables.

So another way of getting information would be to alter the inputs and see how that affects global temperature. Well we have created alternative sources of energy that do not create CO2 as a by product. We have introduced climate credits (another word for a tax) We can calculate the cost of all these methods. How has this helped reduce global temps? Have not seen heard one word about that. Its always more money, we are not doing enough, etc. etc. No real plan, just hysteria. Lets wip this up to a frenzy. Lets get the media involved and make it look like we are all going to die in 12 years. That will get us the money we need. There are many PhD. climate scientists that have opinions that differ from the main stream medias talking points. Why are these people shunned? Why not have free public discourse to hear all sides of the issue. When you do not want alternate views to be expressed on a subject, it means you have lost objectivity and you really should back away from the subject, because you your bias will effect the credibility of the work.

Years ago a bunch of emails were exposed of the top climate scientists in the world. How disappointing it was to see the bias these people exhibited. They had so much of their egos, their grant money, their future grant money and their reputations tied up with their work. They behaved badly, putting others down that didnt agree with them. They played power games controlling their turf. You cannot run any kind of research if you have any bias. It taints the research. You must be willing to be wrong and the use of the scientific method prove or disprove an hypothesis. Sadly, this method has not been followed.

So, my conclusion is that what has gone on so far has been such an outrageous breach of ethics, has gotten so political and corrupt, that the entire studies should be stopped and restarted with people capable of coming up with some meaningful solutions. No question that what has taken place up to this point is meaningless dribble.
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So, my conclusion is that what has gone on so far has been such an outrageous breach of ethics, has gotten so political and corrupt, that the entire studies should be stopped and restarted with people capable of coming up with some meaningful solutions. No question that what has taken place up to this point is meaningless dribble.

With all due respect (and I do agree with everything you have said) to find solutions you have to be sure there is in fact a real problem in the first place.
Personally I believe the universe will ultimately decide for itself.
If this planet has decided to get a bit hotter or colder then who are we to intervene?
The human race is incredibly arrogant.
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I have a great grandson 7, and great granddaughter, 4. When I see the world I’m leaving for them I want to cry. Was it Ben Franklin who said “ An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure “ ? A lot of people seem to be saying “ Until you can prove it, it isn’t real “ or “Until everyone agrees , it isn’t true” . I can see a large object coming at my head really fast, but until everyone agrees it’s aimed at my head, I don’t think I’ll move. Until everyone thinks I can slow it down, Why bother trying ? After all ,I don’t think I even had anything to do with it, and most of the smart people in the world might be wrong, and then I will have moved for nothing.

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[QUOTE=SP3;7018397][quote]From the Left-Wing Conspirators we know as NASA
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since everything today is a conspiracy
and because in the 300 channel universe you can choose the facts that agree with your preconceived belief
what is the point of debate, just find a you tube channel that echoes what you already know
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Yep. Goes both (or all) ways. And, just make things perfectly clear, I was quoting this post -

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Bottom line is that there are way too many damn humans on this planet! Stop breeding, problem solved.
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Thatís all well and good, but Iíve never actually seen a glacier melt and until I do Iím not believing it . What could possibly be wrong with climate change anyway ? I hate winter.
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