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We all want to armchair quarterback because we'd like to think there's something that can be done to avoid getting killed by an idiot like that. We all want those folks to have some AGENCY.

But sometimes there's not... I think we all get that too, when we get on the road we accept that there are things that can happen that there is no way to avoid, human reaction time is incapable of responding to things happening in factions of a second.

Regardless of actions that those folks could have taken that might have changed the odds for some of them, it doesn't change that they should not have had to. When people who drink and drive are allowed to remain on the road, they put everyone else in danger. In Germany that guy wouldn't be driving and CERTAINLY wouldn't be working as a driver, maybe we need to move some of our zero tolerance BS away from areas where it's pointless and TO areas where it might actually save lives.

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.... maybe we need to move some of our zero tolerance BS away from areas where it's pointless and TO areas where it might actually save lives.
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We all want to armchair quarterback because we'd like to think there's something that can be done to avoid getting killed by an idiot like that. ................maybe we need to move some of our zero tolerance BS away from areas where it's pointless and TO areas where it might actually save lives.
Not so many years ago drinking and driving was a semi accepted part of the landscape. No longer.

We Monday morning QB these tragedies in an effort to avoid those idiots and assholes in our life.
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In the video beneath the one that detailed all of this guy's arrests (the one that depicts him being arrested in what appears to be a truck stop or cafe of some sort) he is obviously high as hell. The dilated pupils with a high powered flashlight aimed directly at his eyes (which would have constricted the pupils, not dilated them) would be all the probable cause required to search him.

I was a certified "DRE" (Drug Recognition Expert) in the State Of California. Those of us that carried that cert had the power of probable cause ... meaning that our observations were all that was required to make a legal arrest. I'm tellin' ya ... Gomer was high as all get out. Symptoms indicate most likely meth, or a combination of meth with various other elicit substance(s).

His arrest record, combined with his substance abuse issues, combined with the deaths of the seven bikers, combined with the injured riders .... if the D.A. in NH is worth his/her salt they'll go for 20 to Life ... perhaps seven sentences of 20 to Life.


Again ... fuddup people do fuddup things.

This whole situation is a travesty.

I'm going to log out, go watch some Adult Swim for an hour or three to get my mind on something other than ~this~ .. and go to bed. Hopefully I'll be able to purge my mind of everything this situation reminds me of and I'll sleep without the damned nightmares.

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got a commercial drivers license after multiple arrests for things that should disqualify him from a commercial drivers license several times over.
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Yea ... and there are those that want government to take an even larger role in our lives .... y'know, cuz they do such a great job ~n~ stuff.


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Yea ... and there are those that want government to take an even larger role in our lives .... y'know, cuz they do such a great job ~n~ stuff.

this is such an annoying post but not QUITE political enough to nuke. just a broad, vague, says-nothing statement about govt is bad. let's get rid of the FAA and the FDA and the EPA because government restricts freedom! this tragedy brought to light a gap in suspension enforcement, glad they're doing something about it and getting folks off the road that shouldn't be there.
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this is such an annoying post but not QUITE political enough to nuke. just a broad, vague, says-nothing statement about govt is bad. let's get rid of the FAA and the FDA and the EPA because government restricts freedom! this tragedy brought to light a gap in suspension enforcement, glad they're doing something about it and getting folks off the road that shouldn't be there.
Hey hey now ... easy there. My comment was directed at what the linked article said about how long various notifications went unprocessed.

Regarding the truck driver's previous arrests and citations ....

"... The embattled Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles has suspended an additional 330 drivers whose past violations in other states had gone unprocessed after thousands of notices piled up in mail bins inside a registry facility for the past 15 months. The RMV's lapse in processing out-of-state suspensions was discovered in the aftermath of a horrific crash in Randolph, New Hampshire, in which Volodymyr Zhukovskyy, a 23-year-old truck driver, crossed a double-yellow line, collided with a group of bikers and killed seven motorcyclists.

In all, 876 Massachusetts drivers whose out-of-state traffic infractions had previously been overlooked have now had their licenses suspended in the two weeks since a deadly motorcycle crash in New Hampshire exposed severe deficiencies within the RMV.

A total of 1,106 new suspensions including alcohol-related violations that weren't tracked have been processed. Some drivers have accounted for multiple suspensions.

... Connecticut officials notified the Massachusetts RMV about Zhukovskyy's arrest electronically, but it was not processed because of the way the Massachusetts RMV's system for commercial driver's licenses is programmed, officials say.

Connecticut also mailed the Massachusetts RMV as notice but like thousands of other out-of-state notifications, it was discarded into one of 58 mail bins in a state facility in Quincy, Massachusetts...."



So my remark is hardly a "just a broad, vague, says-nothing statement about govt is bad". I never once even implied anything about removing gov't programs ... my comment was in support of the idea that nothing was done until AFTER seven innocent people were killed, invoking the idiom "Too little, too late.

I would assert that it is your remark that is "just a broad, vague, says-nothing statement" about what my remark was clearly aimed at.

You seem to have become emotionally charged, and maybe have even taken my remark personally. Perhaps it would have done you well to contact me via private message to clear up your misunderstanding of my remark, and my intent? Your remark takes mine deeply out of context ... I never once implied that we (as citizens, that are the victims of poor management all too often) should do away with anything. It was clearly a response to the linked article that clearly spelled out the failures and "too little too late" response to the situation that ended up killing seven of my brothers in arms.

This part of the discussion is relevant, and a direct part of the causation of their deaths. Had those that were appointed done their jobs in the first place, this thread wouldn't even exist since there is heavy probability that the accident wouldn't have taken place.

Once again, I never once said anything about (quoting your comment) "let's get rid of the FAA and the FDA and the EPA because government restricts freedom!". In fact, my comment is aimed at more effective governance, not less of it, or "getting rid of it".

If you wish to discuss this further I openly welcome and invite you to take this to private messaging.

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