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Amsoil EaoM 138 Oil Filter "It's Official"

Good news.
It seems as though Amsoil has committed to producing the fabled EaoM 138 Oil Filter, and they are listing it as suitable for a good number of our DUCATI's for 2013 year models

In addition they have revised all of their recommendations for oil viscosity to their MCV 20w-50 Grade for 2013 models.

These recommendations are not listed as being backward suitable for previous year models
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I use the EAO 138 filter because of the superior performance without restriction.

As for oil, the AUV 50 oil because of the numbers:



Choosing any alternative oil requires careful consideration of the design viscosities. Ducati designs their engines for 40 weight operating temperature.
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Anyone know how the EaoM 138 compares to the KN-153? I use the latter primarily for the price against OEM and the nut. But I've heard they're actually about average and the bad production runs I've encountered this year have me thinking to change.

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I use the EAO 138 filter because of the superior performance without restriction.

As for oil, the AUV 50 oil because of the numbers:
Choosing any alternative oil requires careful consideration of the design viscosities. Ducati designs their engines for 40 weight operating temperature.
You're not concerned about the wrong additive package being that it's an ATV/UTV oil?

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Anyone know how the EaoM 138 compares to the KN-153? I use the latter primarily for the price against OEM and the nut. But I've heard they're actually about average and the bad production runs I've encountered this year have me thinking to change.
The Amsoil synthetic filter media offers far greater filtering with a much lower restriction in flow.

Details in this PDF: https://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g2192.pdf
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You're not concerned about the wrong additive package being that it's an ATV/UTV oil?
I look at the specifications when comparing oil first. Then, I look for standard SAE test results.

There are threads by a Ducati fan that worked developing oil for Exxon Mobil. Sadly he passed recently, but his wisdom continues online. His tests prove the performance of Amsoil oil and oil filters. His Ducati research demonstrate the design standards for viscosity.

The result of my research allows me a great deal of comfort in my lubrication decisions.



Found the guy: George Morrison

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/in...c=1912.10;wap2

Irrespective, the EaO filter is in the high 90% efficiency level to 10 microns, with filtration rate falling off below 10 but does filter down to 1 micron.
Additionally, the flow rate of the filter is 4 times that of a comparable paper element. A complete paradox, I know, in that how can one have a filter that filters to 10 microns last twice as long and flow 4 times easier than a 30 micron paper element? But microglass enables this in that roughly 40% of any paper element will not flow at all. A manufactured microglass flows 100% thus the reduction in flow restriction and increase in dirt holding capacity. Which is what the Amsoil EaO oil filter is.
"The rest of the story".........
George Morrison, STLE CLS
"NO affiliation whatever with Amsoil: just the opposite, actually"

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Another thread quote:

No worries, I found George's study of the Amsoil EaO to be most helpful...

Quote Originally Posted by George Morrison, STLE CLS (Society of Tribologists and Lubrication Engineers - Certified Lubrication Specialist)
"I can't believe this! Here, Me, Mr. Mobil Oil is pursuing the Amsoil Ae filter and not one, not one single response from the gazillion Amsoil dealer force online here at BITOG!" - 7/20/06

"I have seen a 30 micron Beta 200 paper element need replacement at 30 days, yet its 6 micron beta 200 microglass element needing replaced at 120 days. The microglass element was filtering to a much tighter tolerance yet lasted 3 times longer. As much as 40% of a paper element may not flow oil at all! A microglass element flows 100%, which is why they flow with so much lower Delta P. (measured flow resistance)" - 1/18/07

"The comparative particle counts for my 2001 Toyota Sequoia with 159,000 total engine miles, using Mobil 1R0W-30 engine oil are as follows:

OEM oil filter PC vs. Amsoil EaO57 Oil filter PC
>4 Microns = 1,817 particles, 128 particles
>6 microns = 990 particles, 70 particles
>14 microns = 168 particles, 12 particles
>25 microns = 34 particles, 2 particles
>50 microns = 3 particles, 0 particles
>100 microns = 0 particles, 0 particles

Both samples had 1,550 miles on each filter. The OEM sample was new oil, Amsoil sample with 1,500 miles on the Mobil 1 engine oil.
The ISO cleanliness is reduced from 18/17/15 to 14/13/11 with the Amsoil EaO oil filter. I would have been very happy with 1 or 2 number reductions.. A 93% reduction in particulates is, well, as in going from no filtration to having a filter.... This level of cleanliness *will* provide meaningful, long term wear reduction and attendant increase in component life, from my experience.
My used engine oil is cleaner than the oil which came out of the quart bottle..

George Morrison, STLE CLS
(NOT an Amsoil dealer, never have been: may become one with results like this, however)" 2/28/07

"Regarding "seems too good to be true". Welcome to the world of microglass/synthetic filtration medium. I upgrade industrial applications every day from cellulose to microglass: go from a 30 micron paper element filter to a 6 micron microglass. Vastly improved filtration, in the 90% reduction level, as in the EaO, AND the filter generally lasts 2 to 4 times longer than the cellulose filter it was replacing. How? Generally up to 40% of a cellulose filter element passes nothing, absolutely blocked.. Whereas the microglass or nanofiber (whatever) is 100% flowable filter. So, yes, filtering much finer, flowing much easier and lasting considerably longer, even though it is capturing 90% more particulates... Indeed, it is true......
George Morrison, STLE CLS" - 3/1/07


"Well, Gary, I have now become an Amsoil EaO filter Gnostic! I "know" that the EaO is simply the best automotive (wish they made one for my Ducati!) oil filter currently available... :-)
George Morrison, STLE CLS 3/1/07"

And like you said, at the time, George operated one of the largest Mobil distributors in the nation. He had no financial gain from the testimony of his real world experience with an EaO.

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I hope this particular oil thread continues. I use the Amsoil in our '11 and '14 Multis. (I wanted to be accurate here, but seems I actually chucked the quart container) I don't follow the milage guide lines for changes, but rely more on the quality of the shifting and transmission as a better barometer. (Usually about 4,500 miles with the Amsoil), oftern times closer to 3,500 with high quality full synthetic premium oils.

That being said, I recently started using a full syn diesel oil in my Dodge truck with the 6.7 liter motor. It was truly amazing how different that motor feels seat of the pants--swear to you, picked up at least 5% HP and Torque. I wish I was running full syn in that vehicle earlier in it's life--particularly the Amsoil.

I am interested in a high quality oil filter at a semi-decent price with good availability. I love the stock Ducati filters, however, where I live they are not available except by internet. Not convenient. I have been using the "Other" brands and do not have great confidence in their filters. I would be vey willing to check out the Amsoil Filters.

Cheers, hope it wasn't too off topic.

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I look at the specifications when comparing oil first. Then, I look for standard SAE test results.
My question wasn't regarding viscosity of your oil or filtration of your oil filter. I've seen your posts on that topic before. My question was regarding the specific oil additives used in that particular oil. ATV/UTV engines are not particularly high-strung high-reving engines. The additive package will probably be quite different because of that fact.

With that being said, most modern JASO-MA oils are sufficient if you change it often enough. Use whatever floats your boat.

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Frankly, ATV engines work every bit as hard as any motorcycle engine. In addition, full Group IV synthetic oils are built from the ground up to function well at the task of lubrication. It is mineral oil that is very dependent on additives to transform it into a better lubrication product.

One could question the level of boron Ducati uses during break in. But then, Ducati is offering a Group III and now Group III+ natural gas oil. Amsoil is real Group IV, with a heavy reliance on PAO base stocks.
Poly-alpha-olfiens PAO oils are much more stable in extreme temperatures, which make much more suitable for use in very cold weather (as found in northern Europe) as well as very hot weather (as in Middle East).

Here is what Amsoil says about eh oil I use:

Aggressive riding and tackling tough terrain place additional stress on the engine. Increased heat generated during severe-duty operation causes oils designed for standard service to break down sooner, increasing the risk for wear. AMSOIL Synthetic ATV/UTV Motor Oil’s synthetic technology delivers reserve protection against heat. It provides reliable wear protection and aids in cooling shrouded engines.

All that said, you are right in that I change my oil with far less than the Owners Manual 9,000 mile specification.

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