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post #61 of 68 (permalink) Old Dec 31st, 2007, 2:00 pm
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It's easy to steer a bicycle riding no-handed, and motorcycles work the same way
But both are virtually impossible to steer if the steering head is fixed. Sure, they can move a little, but not enough to be of use.

As a teenager, I was able to ride three miles to school without ever touching the bars, but they visibly moved. If they were blocked, that would not have been possible.

As far as chick strips are concerned, my ST2 has none, my SS always some, even though on the same roads the SS is faster. Also, a two-up ride produces less chicken strips than a solo ride on any of my bikes.

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But both are virtually impossible to steer if the steering head is fixed.
True, because the tire needs to rotate slightly into the turn. Code's bike doesn't have the steering head locked, it just has an extra set of bars that are attached to the frame, not to the forks.
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I would think that most riders naturally use a combination of countersteering, leaning, and to a lesser extent "peg weighting" to get around turns, and each does it differently. For me, I like to initiate a turn with a quick, small countersteer movement, then move my butt slightly to the inside while keeping my head low and centered over the tank, and slightly weighting the inside peg. As I am coming out of the turn, just getting centered back in the seat and a very slight countersteer movement again will snap the bike back up, and over the other way if I choose to do so. I can turn just as well by using slightly more countersteer and staying centered in the seat, but feel slightly less of a sense of control doing it this way. You could probably find a hundred different ways variations on this, just depends on what people are comfortable with.
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Wow, talk about reviving an old thread

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If peg weighting helps turn the bike then why can I stand on one foot while my bike is moving and nothing happens? And stunters go down the road on the rear wheel only with one foot on the tail and standing on the other?

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If peg weighting helps turn the bike then why can I stand on one foot while my bike is moving and nothing happens? And stunters go down the road on the rear wheel only with one foot on the tail and standing on the other?
I think it's more as assisted leverage...

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If peg weighting helps turn the bike then why can I stand on one foot while my bike is moving and nothing happens? And stunters go down the road on the rear wheel only with one foot on the tail and standing on the other?
On the track, you're always on the pegs, rarely on the seat. When entering a corner, you usually get back on the seat because of weight distribution reasons. The most important thing to remember is keeping your body "hanging" off the bike, not putting any weight on your knee or pegs, thats how you get hurt. You should be able to take your toe off the peg at any time in a corner because your outside leg is holding you up. Obviously, exiting a corner, you can get off the seat again and back on the pegs, but again, it doesn't help very much.

So peg weighting, not what I'd call an important factory in steering because you naturally do it in some cases and in others, its not a good idea at all. Hanging off the bike has much more value in of itself, then peg weighting could ever have.



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Truth be told some also from time to time (Shhh! Don't tell!) have been known to shift their torso mass away from the direction of the turn for the very purpose of wearing away those dreaded, cred destroying, 'chicken strips.'

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I catch my self doing that on My Multi, and Our Demo HyperMotard on tight urban corners, especially if it is slick out (like rain, or cindered road) But that is how you turn a dirt bike. Lean the bike, keep your body upright and aiming in the intended direction of travel. For some reason I feel safer going fast on slippery stuff if I use this method. After all, a hyper feels like a dirtbike.

Another thing I have noticed. I wear my Multi Stada tires to the very edge, and my Paul Smart with Pilot Powers kill the michelin man. On my SC1000 Track Bike (AKA "the bass boat") when I ride it on the road, I have at least and inch of tire that is not touching, but I am going into corners as fast or faster than on my other bikes. The profile of the power race tires is for going really fast on the track, and on the street, I do not think one can ever really use what thay have.
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