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Jul 14th, 2010, 4:01 pm
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Franklin Square, NY, United States
Posts: 156
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Red key!!
if i bought the bike without the red key and i have an issue with the Immobilizer , what happens next? is it possible that the only thing i can do is go to the dealer and get a new immobilizer system installed? cant they yank it out ?
i think $3,000 is a bit ridiculous .
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Jul 14th, 2010, 4:27 pm
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#2 (permalink)
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Montreal, QC, Canada
Posts: 976
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Red key ? that thing is history.
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Jul 14th, 2010, 4:27 pm
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#3 (permalink)
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Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 354
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is you asking if you buy a Hyper w/o a red key?
the Hyper doesn't have a red key, you enter in an immobilizer code.
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Jul 14th, 2010, 4:33 pm
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#4 (permalink)
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Service Menu
The instrument panel features a service menu that should be used only by the dealer, in case of real need.
To enter this service menu, hold button (MODE) pressed in position A "s" and at the same time turn the key from Off to On.
Pressing button (MODE) in position A “s“ or B “t“ the available functions are displayed one after the other.
After enabling functions and/or changing settings, turn the key from ON to OFF to store any changes.
Upon the following Key-On, the new settings will apply.
This menu features three functions:
Immobilizer Reprogramming (PRO 0000);
Unit of measurement setting for displayed values (SET UNIT);
"Manual" movement of the exhaust butterfly valve (SET EXVL);
Rear indicators setting (SET INDIC).
Immobilizer Reprogramming
This function allows for the reprogramming of the Immobilizer System in case one or both keys are missing/lost or damaged.
To view this function, access the "Service Menu" and enter the "Pro" page.
This function shows a default "00000" code; press button (1) in position B "t" for 3 seconds to access the electronic code entry procedure (code can be found on CODE CARD).
Entering the code:
the first digit on the left starts flashing;
each time you press the button in position B "t", the digit will increase by one unit per second;
if you press the button in position A "s", you will move to the second digit, which will start to flash. Each time you press the button in position B "t", the digit will increase by one unit per second;
If you press the button in position A "s", you will move to the third digit, which will start to flash. Each time you press the button in position B "t", the digit will increase by one unit per second;
if you press the button in position A "s", you will move to the fourth digit, which will start to flash. Each time you press the button in position B "t", the digit will increase by one unit per second;
if you press the button in position A "s", you will move to the fifth digit, which will start to flash. Each time you press the button in position B "t", the digit will increase by one unit per second;
press the button in position A "s" to confirm the code.
If code is incorrect, the display will again show the default code "00000". A wrong code can be entered countless times.
If the code is correct, "Pro." wording and the entered code will flash; now take the key to Off.
From this moment on, the Immobilizer System is waiting to be Reprogrammed with the new key (or keys); upon the following Key-On it will be necessary to carry out a key programming procedure using the procedure described under "Programming the immobilizer".
Note
During this stage the Immobilizer System disables engine starting until keys are reprogrammed.
Code Card is missing
Since the Electronic Code indicated on the CODE CARD is no longer available, it will not be possible to:
reprogram the Immobilizer System in case one or both keys are lost/missing;
temporarily "override" the system in case of a fault to the Immobilizer System.
To restore System normal operation it will be necessary to change the KEY SET (2 black keys + new CODE CARD) and the Instrument panel and then perform a new Immobilizer Programming.
One key is missing
After buying a new key, it is necessary to carry out a Reprogramming procedure (entering the code indicated on the CODE CARD) with the new key and the existing key (not lost/missing).
Both keys are missing
After buying two new keys, it is necessary to carry out a Reprogramming procedure (entering the code indicated on the CODE CARD) with the new keys.
Replacing the locks set (new locks + new Code Card + new keys)
After installing the new locks set, use the two new keys to Reprogram the system (entering the electronic code indicated on the old CODE CARD).
Keep the new CODE CARD in a safe place since it could become “active” if the Instrument panel is replaced in the future and then needs a new progrmming procedure.
Instrument panel replacement
After buying the new instrument panel, perform a normal "Programming" of the Immobilizer System.
Instrument panel replacement after one or both keys were changed
For this special case, for the whole Immobilizer System to work correctly, before Programming the Immobilizer it is necessary to change the KEY SET as well (2 black keys + new CODE CARD).
If the new instrument panel is programmed with the existing keys, previously replaced, the System programming will be successful and will allow engine starting but the Electronic code on the CODE CARD will no longer allow you to:
reprogram the Immobilizer System in case one or both keys are lost/missing;
temporarily "override" the system in case of a fault to the Immobilizer System.
Programming the immobilizer
This instrument panel function allows for Immobilizer System programming.
Note
It is possible to store only 2 keys.
Insert KEY 1 (one of the two black keys) and turn it from Off to On;
turn key to Off within 3 seconds;
within 15 seconds, insert KEY 2 (the other black key) and turn it from Off to On;
turn key to Off within 3 seconds;
within 15 seconds, insert again KEY X (either Key 1 or Key 2, it does not matter) and turn it from Off to On.
If the procedure is successful, the Dashboard will display "PROG" fixed for 3 seconds and then go back to normal display.
Programming aborted:
if the 3-second countdown after Key-On, the 15-second countdown after Key-Off reach zero or if programming procedure is incorrect, the Dashboard aborts the programming and will display "OFF" for 3 seconds and then go back to normal display.
Caution
During the programming procedure, the Dashboard not only stores the key codes, but detects two "electronic" codes after KEY 1 (first black key inserted) and KEY 2 (second black key inserted) are inserted.
In case the Immobilizer is reprogrammed, the key codes are deleted and replaced by the new codes of the new keys; while the two "electronic" codes are forever stored with no chance to delete or overwrite them.
The electronic code indicated on the CODE CARD corresponds to one of the two electronic codes and will be used for the procedures of Immobilizer Recovery and Immobilizer Reprogramming.
SET UNIT
"Setting Special" function (vehicle model and units of measurement)
This function allows you to change the units of measurement for the values displayed on the instrument panel.
The control unit automatically informs the instrument panel about the correct vehicle model and unit of measurement to be displayed: to force these parameters, enter the "Service menu" and use “SET UNIT” function. Then press button (MODE) in position B "t" and hold for 3 seconds.
Every time the button (MODE) is pressed in position B "t", the Dashboard cyclically activates the following pages (flashing):
Unit of measurement
COUNTRY STANDARD - Speed - H2O temperature - Odometer
EU - Km/h - °C - Km
UK - mph - °C - miles
USA - mph - °F - miles
CND - Km/h - °C - Km
FRA - Km/h - °C - Km
JAP - Km/h - °C - Km
ECU ld. - The instrument panel sets the unit of measurement according to the information received by the ECU
Press button (MODE) in position B "t" and hold for 3 seconds to store displayed configuration; "MEM" is displayed. Upon the following Key-On, the new settings will apply.
SET EXVL
***only on the stock ECU***
Exhaust Butterfly Valve Motor Movement for wires installation
This function allows you to move the exhaust butterfly valve motor to help you when refitting the wires.
If you turn the key to On by accident when changing cables, i.e. with the valve motor not connected, the motor turns for a few seconds and stops in a random position. This prevents you from refitting the wires.
It is necessary to use this function to take motor back to such a position so that it is possible to refit the wires.
To view this function, access the "SERVICE MENU" and enter the "Set EXVL" page.
Now, press button (MODE) in position B "t" and hold for 3 seconds to enter the "MOVE" mode allowing you to move the motor.
Hold button (MODE) in position A "s" to turn valve motor clockwise; hold button (MODE) in position B "t" to turn valve motor counter clockwise.
To ensure that wires can be refitted, turn motor until " 1.7 v " is displayed.
Take the key to Off to quit this function.
SET INDIC
Service MENU - Rear Turn Indicators Setup
This Function allows you to set the correct piloting of the rear turn indicators.
The vehicle comes as standard with bulb rear turn indicators (10W); if the owner wishes to change them and fit Led Ducati Performance indicators, after installation it is also necessary to set them within this page of the Service MENU.
To view this function, access the "SERVICE MENU" and enter the "Set INDIC" page.
Then press button B for 3 sec. to enter the "SEt" mode.
The display reads "LAMP" (bulb type); press button A (s) to switch to "LED" (Led type).
Once the correct type of turn indicator is set, press button B and hold for 3 sec. until "MEM" (memorised) is displayed.
Take the key to "OFF" to save and quit this function. Upon the following Key-On, the Dashboard goes back to normal operation.
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Jul 14th, 2010, 5:57 pm
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#5 (permalink)
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Franklin Square, NY, United States
Posts: 156
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i traded a harley for my Hyper. i only got 2 black keys no codes or booklets....any way to get the code by the vin from the dealer or something ?
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Jul 14th, 2010, 7:06 pm
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#6 (permalink)
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Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 354
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you can always try to see where the original owner bought it and hope that they have a copy of the immobilizer code.
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Jul 14th, 2010, 8:52 pm
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#7 (permalink)
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Franklin Square, NY, United States
Posts: 156
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Quackzilla
you can always try to see where the original owner bought it and hope that they have a copy of the immobilizer code.
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quack- ur a genius ....never thought of thst
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Jul 14th, 2010, 10:00 pm
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#8 (permalink)
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Fayetteville, NC, USA
Posts: 212
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If you have both keys on the same key ring it will give you a code and screw everything up. Don't know if it's your issue but I speak from experience unfortunately.
Take the other key off and everything will work as advertised.
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2008 Black Hyper S
2005 CBR 1000RR
2001 CBR 929RR
1997 GSXR 600
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Jul 14th, 2010, 10:29 pm
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#9 (permalink)
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Member
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Palmdale, CA, USA
Posts: 43
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Has anyone ever really needed or used the "Red Key"?
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Jul 14th, 2010, 10:56 pm
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#10 (permalink)
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: PDX, OR, USA
Posts: 195
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tonypro
Has anyone ever really needed or used the "Red Key"?
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I think we came close during the Cuban Missile Crisis...
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