Planning the next level

[BigJoe]

Greetings all,

I will be coming into a few dollars in September and I plan to throw about 2K into the hyper for performance mods.

I already have a full termi kit (installed new) DP 14T CS sprocket (new) DP race seat (new) Nichols flywheel (600 mile service), Nichols Clutch Light Weight clutch (2000 miles) and frame and axle sliders (in the box).

I was considering the DP cams and Duc Shop or TPO Beast R kits for installation at the 7500 mile service. In consideration that the Cam kit will include the ECU, my ducati mechanic felt the Power Commander was not necessary and my mechanic actually is not fond of the PC III although he did not go into detail, I do trust him with respect to relaibility and performance as he has been very good to deal with so far.

Any insight as to other possible combinations and recommendations in my cash allowance range? Are the Ergal kits worth the cash?

Additionally, how long have you had to wait for the DP cam kits to be delivered?

I ordered a DP back protector for my Summer Motard jacket in October of 09 and I do not have it yet. Given that, I have 4500 miles on my hyper and do I need to order the cams now for an October delivery?

Any insight is greatly appreciated!

Best regards,

Joe

[08hyper]

Originally Posted by BigJoe

Greetings all,

I will be coming into a few dollars in September and I plan to throw about 2K into the hyper for performance mods.

I already have a full termi kit (installed new) DP 14T CS sprocket (new) DP race seat (new) Nichols flywheel (600 mile service), Nichols Clutch Light Weight clutch (2000 miles) and frame and axle sliders (in the box).

I was considering the DP cams and Duc Shop or TPO Beast R kits for installation at the 7500 mile service. In consideration that the Cam kit will include the ECU, my ducati mechanic felt the Power Commander was not necessary and my mechanic actually is not fond of the PC III although he did not go into detail, I do trust him with respect to relaibility and performance as he has been very good to deal with so far.

Any insight as to other possible combinations and recommendations in my cash allowance range? Are the Ergal kits worth the cash?

Additionally, how long have you had to wait for the DP cam kits to be delivered?

I ordered a DP back protector for my Summer Motard jacket in October of 09 and I do not have it yet. Given that, I have 4500 miles on my hyper and do I need to order the cams now for an October delivery?

Any insight is greatly appreciated!

Best regards,

Joe

The cams ECU was mapped by Ducati for their exhaust system, opened stock airfilter, and DP cams, when you go outside those parameters, the bike can run lean, if you have different mods, and aftermarket parts, its always best to do a custom dyno map for your bike.

After you complete your mods then have it dynoed, then you'll know for sure if its too lean or not, you may get lucky and not need a PC.

Many Ducati dealers will have the DP cams in stock, just call around. Good luck. Aloha Alex

[johnchypermotard]

+ eleventy billion on what alex advised on the DP cams ... i had a set installed in the hyper a few months back ... awesome upgrade ... way more top end grunt, and not that big a loss of low end grunt in the tradeoff.

depending on who you purchase the DP cams through, you should not have to wait at all, as some dealers have them in stock. if the dealer you purchase through does not have the cams in stock, and they need to order them, you might be waiting until after august, as if they don't get the order in before ducati goes on vacation for august, you wont see them until they return in september.

don't know which ergal kits you are referring to ... the rearsets? the timing belt rollers? if the belt rollers, this is a great upgrade to make when you have the cams installed ... reduces rotational mass on the motor.

[BigJoe]

Thanks for the replies,

I was hoping for your input......

Having said that, the Ergal timing belt rollers are the components I had been referring to....

What cam timing are you running, is advancing the cam to the maximum appropriate cam timing a good approach to keep some of the low and mid range?

I think it will be at least another year or two before I can go the HC Pistal pistons route to restore the dynamic compression levels and get back some of the lost mid range...

I had read in the past that the factory recommended cam timing may not be the best approach.

Best regards,

Joe

[freezer16801]

are you limiting yourself to just engine upgrades? I think your money would be best spent having your shock valved and sprung to your weight and installing a set of GP or racetech cartridges. I think once an exhaust, intake upgrade of some sort, and ECU are done the engine is awesome and outruns the suspension.

[BigJoe]

I was thinking of the engine mods first.....if I recall correctly the EVO cams are different from the 07-2009 Hyper cams, thus I was hoping to get the cams on oder before the availability of the old cams becomes an issue.

I am pretty heavy, about 230 before gear, having said that, my sag was set up on delivery and I have not had any head shake issues or substantial harshness on the road, although I have not ridden a bike fully prepped for comparison.

I have not really played with the clickers that much (I have gone up and down a few clicks and rode the same loop for comparison, but I seem to come back to as delivered setttings) yet but to ease the limited harshness at initial stroke, I was considering going to a lighter weight fork oil...

[freezer16801]

considering that the stock fork and shock springs are substantially undersprung for you, I would suggest that you spend your dough on an upgrade of some sorts. I am a large mammal as well. I go from 210-220 lbs. depending on how much sam adams I drink. I had the shock rebuilt by traxxion dynamics for $300 or so. I also installed racetech springs and changed the fluid to 5 weight at a more consistent level. The bike is much more fun and fast to ride now. I have no problem keeping up with my buddies on liter bikes over our nice PA mountain roads. I couldn't say the same last year.

[BigJoe]

Greetings all,

Update-1....Cams, cam ECU, new belts and rollers are at the dealer, duc shop stacks should arrive early next week.

Would love to get feedback on cam timing from the good folks that have done the cam installs.

Some some folks seem to be pretty protective of cam timing, and I respect that, but I was hoping to hear from stack installers as it seems to me that shorter intake tract length would favor top end at the expense of low end......thus either retarding cam timing for top end would give either a really big hit on top or perhaps advancing the cam timing results in very balanced torque curve or perhaps degreeing the cams in at the recommended timing from ducati is the best position, If I had just the termi kit, I would go with the factory settings, the stack kit purchase which results in the reduced intake tract length seems to push me to advancing the cam timing.

Are there any Ducati DS engine specific articles related to swirl, intake tuning, exhaust pulse scavenging, cam timimg and the like? Has anyone done cam timing adjustments with Dyno results?

Any help would be greatly appreciated....perhaps I am thinking too much about this and the variables of intake lengths and cam timing are overwhelmed by other factors such as intake port configurations....

Best regards,

Joe

[Abarth]

I have take a somewhat similar mod path with my Hyper:

- Termignoni 2 in 1 Full Exhaust System
- Flowed heads
- DP Race Cams
- DP Race ECU (reflashed for Wasp Kit)
- Wasp Power Up Kit
- Iridium Spark plugs

The bike was running fine with the DP ECU and the Wasp kit, no popping from the exhaust or powerloss whatsoever. The Wasp kit came with a PCIII but my Ducati dealer is able to flash the ECU's. So I went with that.
We saw on the dyno that the DP ECU was actually still set to rich in the midsection and to lean on top (even with the Wasp kit).
So that is corrected in my ECU. Also the revlimiter is pushed further 200 rpm to 8950 and the soft limiter (which starts a little earlier than the hard limiter) was removed (well, also set to 8950). The revlimiter was moved up since HP was not dropping when nearing the revlimiter. In the end it didn't bring any extra HP though (still 110,3 DIN HP), but hey I can stay on the gas longer.

Oh and no changes have been made to the valve timing on my Hyper, at least not while upgrading to the Wasp kit. Might be that the dealer adjusted the valve timing when the heads were flowed.... Have to check that.

Since I didn't use the PCIII that came with the Wasp kit, anybody here interested?

[slowpoke]

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