Another airbox question?

[yabo0569]

I have the mivv slip ons on my bike and I want to get rid of the cat by putting the leo vince cat eliminator. I want to change the aibox on it like the termis do. I also know that I need a new Ecu. what are my options? I saw a guy on ebay he had 2 cones for the airbox, is that a good idea? If yes where can I get them?

[Chouch]

They are velocity stacks. Several shops make them, like Ducshop, TPO or WASP.
It's a good and cheap way to gain a little power, and it can only do good to the Hyper.

But if you go this way you clearly need a DP ECU. You can find them for 400$ on ebay, or you can go the Nemesis route, which is a better way than DP but also way more expensive.

[Supero100]

Just be aware that when you go to a pod filter setup, you will tend to move your hp biggest gains into the mid range and higher. The airbox and lid may be a Heimholtz resonator, which can help your low end power.

Street bike or race bike? I'm trying to keep as much low end grunt as possible...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz_resonance

[freezer16801]

Originally Posted by Supero100

Just be aware that when you go to a pod filter setup, you will tend to move your hp biggest gains into the mid range and higher. The airbox and lid may be a Heimholtz resonator, which can help your low end power.

Street bike or race bike? I'm trying to keep as much low end grunt as possible...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz_resonance

that link was very informative. Once the math started, my head exploded though.

[turbobike749]

Hi guys ,thought this might show you what the Termi kit does to a standard bike compared to what the wasp PUK did.

Dont worry about the end HP because they were done on different bikes but look at the power gain......

Termi 2 into 1 kit gain is 5 BHP

Wasp PUK gain is 9 BHP

A pitty I haven't got the dyno runs from a termi as well as wasp PUK on the same bike.

They are very restricted on the intake side of the engine heh.

[yabo0569]

exelent information guys, thanks!

[wasp1000]

Originally Posted by yabo0569

I have the mivv slip ons on my bike and I want to get rid of the cat by putting the leo vince cat eliminator. I want to change the aibox on it like the termis do. I also know that I need a new Ecu. what are my options?

You dont need to get a new ecu. We can reflash your standard ecu to take full benefit of the Wasp Hyper PUK and work in conjunction with the Power-Commander.

Originally Posted by Supero100

Just be aware that when you go to a pod filter setup, you will tend to move your hp biggest gains into the mid range and higher.Street bike or race bike? I'm trying to keep as much low end grunt as possible...

Well, NO... You can see from the "lie detector" results that HP and TQ start to climb immediately.
Of course the HP will peak at the top end but it has also been added in abundance at the bottom and mid range.
There is definately no bottom end losses here.

TurboDucati forgot to mention that the figures you see are on a bike with standard exhaust which includes the cat convertor...

I have included the TQ dyno sheet as well as the HP.
Check the rate of climb in the TQ between 3>4000rpm

Greg.

[Ducshop]

Re-flash or DP ecu + PCIII is close to what a Microtec cost and you get much more with the Microtec. Our stack/filter kit plus Microtec is right at $1200 and we have some good Hyper maps so can load up 2 so you can toggle between them. You will see about the same gain with any stack kit, the bulk of the power gain is getting rid of the very restrictive airbox.
http://www.ducshop.com/product_view.php?cat=7&pid=321

http://www.ducshop.com/product_view.php?cat=7&pid=341

Originally Posted by Chouch

They are velocity stacks. Several shops make them, like Ducshop, TPO or WASP.
It's a good and cheap way to gain a little power, and it can only do good to the Hyper.

But if you go this way you clearly need a DP ECU. You can find them for 400$ on ebay, or you can go the Nemesis route, which is a better way than DP but also way more expensive.

[Supero100]

Originally Posted by wasp1000

Well, NO... You can see from the "lie detector" results that HP and TQ start to climb immediately.
Of course the HP will peak at the top end but it has also been added in abundance at the bottom and mid range.
There is definately no bottom end losses here.

Greg

Good info Greg & turbo

I see you've got a couple of variables in the wasp second run... both the stacks and a tuned pc. I assume you also have a closed loop ecu going?

Do you (or ducshop) have a more apples to apples comparison run on your "lie detector"? Such as...
The one Turbo put up: termi system + DP lid + closed loop ecu + pc w/map
vs
The one Grep put up: termi system + wasp stacks + closed loop ecu + pc w/map

Again, good stuff

[turbobike749]

Originally Posted by Supero100

Good info Greg & turbo

I see you've got a couple of variables in the wasp second run... both the stacks and a tuned pc. I assume you also have a closed loop ecu going?

Do you (or ducshop) have a more apples to apples comparison run on your "lie detector"? Such as...
The one Turbo put up: termi system + DP lid + closed loop ecu + pc w/map
vs
The one Grep put up: termi system + wasp stacks + closed loop ecu + pc w/map

Again, good stuff

They are the same bikes, both greg and turbo.... but one has trqe and the other posted bhp.

The wasp termi PUK Motard had a reflashed ecu from tuneboy. It was flashed with a termi ecu with modified ign map.The customer was very happy with the bikes performance. Soon dynojet are also releasing an O2 sensor bypass so the original ecu with all the companies R and D on ridability etc can be retained. But then a Pc5 can be added for custom fuel mapping.