Hyper for 848? - Ducati.ms

NYSport · May 25th, 2009, 7:50 pm

After my track day at NJMP (I love NJ) I'm starting to consider giving up on road riding, at least as long as I live on LI. With that in mind I'm going to start looking for an 848 (maybe trade the Hyper for an 848) for track duty and an occasional road ride.

Has anyone taken advantage of the special financing on the 848. Or anyone buy an 848, if so what's the otd price?

Thanks

Tom

unfast1 · May 25th, 2009, 8:04 pm

I know this is not your question but, I am feeling the same as you.
I want to do the same thing and spend most of the time on the track. After about 7-8 track days on the Hyper I want something made more for the track.
If you get a chance try out a CBR 1000RR. There are lot's of left over '08's for CHEAP. It's not a twin but damn it will make you forget about an 848 after you ride it. My next purchase will be the RR. Check out the new RRW magazine.

Just my .02.

oalvarez · May 25th, 2009, 8:10 pm

all things considered (above and more), AND if you want to stay in the Ducati family, own the 848. it's a super bike, offers great value, and would appear track capable. it's one of the best riding motorcycles i've ever owned.

regards

NYSport · May 25th, 2009, 8:30 pm

There are certainly a lot of good track bikes around and Honda was my ride of choice for many years. But I do want to stay in the Ducati family. At 370 lbs. and 134 hp I would think the the 848 would be a good choice. And the torque should be a lot of fun exiting the corners.

unfast1 · May 25th, 2009, 9:11 pm

Ask Mike "Lord Duck Hunter" that works for Dan Kyle. Dude has rode every damn thing there is on the track and he says it's "848" the best track bike he has ever rode.

doon · May 26th, 2009, 4:00 am

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Originally Posted by NYSport

After my track day at NJMP (I love NJ) I'm starting to consider giving up on road riding, at least as long as I live on LI. With that in mind I'm going to start looking for an 848 (maybe trade the Hyper for an 848) for track duty and an occasional road ride.

Has anyone taken advantage of the special financing on the 848. Or anyone buy an 848, if so what's the otd price?

Thanks

Tom

If your going to track a 848 seriously, you will need to spend quite a bit of money on the suspension front and rear.
i know as I used to own one!

Motard-Menace · May 26th, 2009, 4:24 am

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Originally Posted by doon

If your going to track a 848 seriously, you will need to spend quite a bit of money on the suspension front and rear.
i know as I used to own one!

Can you elaborate on that?

Too many people think you need to spend a fortune on suspension which isn't really true. If you set up the stock suspension properly it will work just fine unless maybe you are racing against, Rossi, Stoner, Spies or Haga. If you are just doing some track days don't worry about it. Sure its nice to have trick Ohlins and such but not really crucial especially if you are doing 8-10 track days a year.

Sorry, I'm not trying to be a dick here (and not singling you out doon) but I've seen so many posts on this site from people about upgrading suspension etc. that I'm curious as to how they ride or how much they must weigh. I've ridden stock suspensions on all kinds of rides and half time they are not even set up for me at all, yet you can still push the bike if you learn the bike. Too many folks get it in their head that the bike isn't set up for "me" and use that as an excuse because they can't ride very well when really it doesn't matter how well it is set up, they just can't ride as well as they think.

Look back 15-20 years ago and guys racing Moto GP didn't even have as good of suspension on their race bikes as we have on stock bikes now and yet they still rode the piss out of them. Would ride circles around most of us. Wonder how they could do that without all the trick suspension. My guess is they learned the bikes traits and adapted to it.

The 848 will be an excellent track weapon that will give you room to grow yet has enough right out of the box. Once you are running lap times with the expert level riders and you need to gain a second or two then you can upgrade suspension and stuff like that. Most of these superbikes (in stock trim) today are running 3-4 seconds off the pace of WSBK or AMA with equal riders so I think the 848 will do the trick for you. Goodluck with your decision.

doon · May 26th, 2009, 3:56 pm

The 848 stock setup is designed for 200lb+ riders, also designed to carry a passanger.
Look on ducati spot or the 1098 forums and there are a lot of unhappy people out there, especially lighter riders.
Dan Kyle is the man to speak to if you want to set one up properly.
The 749r is a track weapon ready to go for a lot less money.
My 848 is dead now but I was going to sell it anyway as I couldn't get a decent ride out of it for our roads even with adding a ohlins du515 and different springs and ride height adjuster.
It depends how much money you want to spend.
My 2cents worth anyway.

hyperdookie · May 26th, 2009, 11:11 pm

My buddy just parked his 848 on the side of a cliff trying to keep up with my Hyper on a local goat trail.

Everyone is OK. Just damaged egos and plastics.Could have been MUCH worse.
For the track, I would definately take the 848. For the riding I do...Hyper please.

Monstaman · May 26th, 2009, 11:25 pm

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Originally Posted by Motard-Menace

Can you elaborate on that?

I can and will if you don't mind, I was heavily involved with helping Doon (try and) sort his suspension out.

In essence the rear linkage setup is a complete fuck-up and the ratios are miles out even for a smooth track unless you are a 100kg plus rider, any lighter weight and you with struggle to get it even close.

The rear pivot top arm needs to be longer at the rear or shorter at the front, from memory the area was tight at the front so adding length to the rear would be logical.

Troy Bayliss had his new link in for his last WSBK race and said then that they had finally got it right.

I don't know the dimensions of the change however I would think the rear pivot needs to be 10 - 12 mm longer or about 4-6 mm shorter at the front if the room could be spared.

The factory set up is too short and is making very hard work of trying to compress the spring, this hard work is transferred to none other than the riders arse which I felt 1st hand.

Even with the Ohlins, no compression damping and a 7nm spring it was enough to give ya kidneys a bashing.

Hope this spreads a little more light on it.