Hyper Enduro - Ducati.ms

AXE · Apr 5th, 2009, 3:22 pm

So how do you think the Hyper would do if you modified it for use as an enduro style bike? I am considering purchasing a BMW F800GS or a KTM 950R SuperEnduro for use on the road and some trails/offroad stuff. I need to be able to ride highways then get offroad for some fun.

I figure you would have to do the following to make the Hyper useable for what I want to do.

* Different suspension (new or rebuilt)
* Larger diameter hoops with some offroad tires for increased clearance and handling (not sure the rear can be increased much)
* Crash bars and handguards/mirrors
* Skid plate
* Hard bags and frame for gear
* Lower gearing for offroad technical stuff

I think that the biggest limitation of the Hyper would be the suspension for anything above light offroad use. I am not sure that could be rectified very easy or cost effectively. However, in terms of the other needs, they could be made pretty easy without a lot of expense. Plus you could resell some of the take off parts and probably net out.

The KTM is bad ass looking/sounding and performs great offroad, but still has carbs. The BMW is more refined and probably has the most balance between on and off road use, as well as has fuel injection. I think the Hyper would fall more on the road going side with its suspension limitations.

As for pricing, I think if I started with a used stock base Hyper I would be in around $9-10K. If I do the KTM I have seen prices from $9.5-11.5K new and for the BMW $10-12K new. I haven't found much in the way of used for the latter.

What do you think? My gut tells me the KTM is what I want. However, it would be fun to convert a Hyper.

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minusone · Apr 5th, 2009, 3:43 pm

Anything slow and technical would result in overheating.
Needs better cooling with fans.

Monstaman · Apr 5th, 2009, 4:29 pm

I love both the BMW F800GS and KTM 950R SuperEnduro, I would love the F800 simply cos I am only 5'7" so the height thing gets me.

I reckon buy the bike ready for action rather than try and twist a hyper into shape.

AXE · Apr 5th, 2009, 4:29 pm

Good point. I suppose having the oil cooler plugged with mud and dirt won't help much either. This bike would be ridden in Colorado, Wyoming, and Utah (alot in the mountains)where ambient temps are lower, so that might be a benefit.

I haven't had much of an issue with overheating riding slow in traffic in Arizona where ambientent temps are typcially very high.

Thanks.

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AXE · Apr 5th, 2009, 4:44 pm

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Originally Posted by Monstaman

I love both the BMW F800GS and KTM 950R SuperEnduro, I would love the F800 simply cos I am only 5'7" so the height thing gets me.

I reckon buy the bike ready for action rather than try and twist a hyper into shape.

Yeah, the 800 is the more civilized of the two. Height isn't as much of an issue for me, but when I sat on the 950 at the Cycle World show it is very tall.

Never heard the BMW run, but they are a parallel twin (made in China now). The KTM is a 75* twin and sounds like a race bred bike and looks cool with the dual pipes and trellis frame.

I agree, buying the bike suited for this use is the right answer. It would be fun to see Ducati make something like this.

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hyperdookie · Apr 5th, 2009, 5:23 pm

You may have already seen this.Nicely done, but I think I would go KTM.

http://www.terramostro.com/gallery.cfm

breakdown · Apr 5th, 2009, 5:56 pm

I think you should definitely go for it. It would make a great project. I learned how to ride on dirtbikes and the Hyper has a perfect motor for offroad stuff.

I don't think the bike would ever be that good for single track stuff; it's too heavy. With some work, I think you could make it into quite a capable bike on fire and logging service roads. I live in the BC and we have some pretty rough bush roads around the area from our logging industries.

**Chuckracer** · Apr 5th, 2009, 5:59 pm

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Originally Posted by AXE

The KTM is bad ass looking/sounding and performs great offroad, but still has carbs.

There's nothing wrong with carbs. Personally speaking, I prefer them. There are lots of folks riding Super Enduro's in lots of conditions with all kinds of success.

Making a Hyper dirt-worthy would be a cool, if spendy, project. You're dealing with some formidable obstacles though. The geometry is all wrong for off road work - not enough trail and too short a swingarm for the travel needed. You could have triples made, different forks and a 21" front wheel would help, but there's not much you could do about the rear.

If you want a project, build up the Hyper. If you want to ride, get the KTM. I don't think you could ever make the Hyper work as well off road as the KTM right out of the box.

I'm a tad biased, it's true, but it's honest advice.

Antigrav · Apr 5th, 2009, 6:13 pm

Don't even bother thinking about this, the KTM would kick ass on the Hyper no matter how much you put into the Hyper...the Super Enduro is specifically built for what you want it to do.

GMP · Apr 5th, 2009, 8:18 pm

Forget about it, get the right tool for the job. There is a lot more to consider than the obvious, like the frame and engine casing were never designed for off road stress.

The object is to ride off road correct? How far will you have to ride on the street to get to the trails? This should determine the level of compromise when selecting the bike, with focus being on off road performance. If your not going too far then a Husky 450 -510 TE is a nice bike, or a KTM EXC. Any of the big adventure bikes is going to be a handfull if things get tough and technical, and thats what the fun of off road is all about.

I don't get the "dual sport" thing. When I ride off road or race, I want a no nonsense off road race bike. Same for the street. I'd rather truck my GasGas to ride than ride a pig on the street, ruining the tires, and dealing with the weight and suspension issues. How do you think a Hyper would handle the turns with knobbies?

Right tool for the job, JMO.