Why a lighter flywheel? - Ducati.ms - The Ultimate Ducati Forum
http://www.ducati.ms/forums
» Insurance
» Sponsors
Motorcycle.comMotorcycle.com Classifieds!
Go Back   Ducati.ms - The Ultimate Ducati Forum > Ducati Motorcycle Forums > HyperMotard

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old Nov 6th, 2008, 9:24 am   #1 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Caidly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Northern, NJ, USA
Posts: 1,379
Post Why a lighter flywheel?

Lost in the other thread, so I'll just ask in a new one...



Anyone care to explain the benefits and disadvantages of a lighter flywheel.

I am sure the brilliant minds at Ducati Engineering came up with the stock weight for a reason. I get the faster spin-up, but what are you trading off? Torque?
__________________
__________________________________________________ ______
if you need to know... ask...


Caidly is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old Nov 6th, 2008, 9:40 am   #2 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
johnchypermotard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,558
have not had my second cup of coffee yet, so here is a start of the lists ...

benefits of lighter than stock flywheel:
  • provides faster spin-up of engine, so can produce torque and horse power faster
  • produces less gyroscopic effect (due to less rotational mass), which makes the bike drop into and pull out of turns with less effort

reason ducati manufactures with heavier flywheel:
  • engine idles smoother
  • is easier for rider to move from standing stop (more engine rotational weight)
__________________
vīdī, vīcī, vēnī!
johnchypermotard is online now   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 6th, 2008, 10:59 am   #3 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Paewraul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Pelham, NH, USA
Posts: 14
The key factor is quicker revs. The rotational mass of the flywheel is fairly small, and I don't think turn in is effected....not enough to make a noticable difference.

The biggest change you'll notice is that egine breaking is reduced since less energy is stored in the flywheel due to the lower weight.
__________________
2000 748S
2008 HM1100S
Paewraul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 6th, 2008, 12:34 pm   #4 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
MarksFriggin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,259
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paewraul View Post
The key factor is quicker revs. The rotational mass of the flywheel is fairly small, and I don't think turn in is effected....not enough to make a noticable difference.

The biggest change you'll notice is that egine breaking is reduced since less energy is stored in the flywheel due to the lower weight.
Wouldn't engine braking be increased with a lighter flywheel since there's less mass to keep the engine spinning?
MarksFriggin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 6th, 2008, 12:45 pm   #5 (permalink)
Member
 
corse_ducati's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Vienna, , Austria
Posts: 80
Extreme Power wheely's........
Attached Thumbnails
Why a lighter flywheel?-ducatiwheely.jpg  
corse_ducati is online now   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 6th, 2008, 12:49 pm   #6 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
johnchypermotard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,558
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarksFriggin View Post
Wouldn't engine braking be increased with a lighter flywheel since there's less mass to keep the engine spinning?
yes ... good catch.

forgot to mention that earlier (now have had second espresso)

a heavier flywheel smoothes out power delivery and engine braking effect, as there is more inertia.
__________________
vīdī, vīcī, vēnī!
johnchypermotard is online now   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 6th, 2008, 2:02 pm   #7 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
kingsnake1650's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Midland, Tx, usa
Posts: 1,257
engine braking in theory might be increased..... but since putting the nichols flywheel on I seem to have less wheel hop when hard engine breaking.
__________________
Grow up and quit your whining. To the rest of you: Grow a set! Learn to tell the Whiners to SHUT UP!
kingsnake1650 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 6th, 2008, 2:20 pm   #8 (permalink)
Eat, sleep, play!
 
dukepilot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: San Jose, CA, USA
Posts: 1,166
Images: 8
If much of your ride involves stop n' go city street/traffic or sketchy roads you may be better off leaving it stock as the heavier flywheel is smoother.

As with most mods, its a tradeoff. I did notice easier turn-in. I like the quicker engine response, especially with the 15/44 gearing. It does require a little more throttle control when traction is limited however.
__________________
-2008 Hypermotard S
-2005 Buell XB9SX
-2006 Husqvarna SM610
-2004 Husqvarna SM450R
-2004 Husqvarna TE250
-2004 Husqvarna CR125
-2005 CRF170R
dukepilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 6th, 2008, 3:18 pm   #9 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
johnchypermotard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,558
Quote:
Originally Posted by dukepilot View Post
It does require a little more throttle control when traction is limited however.
sure ... but your hypertard's engine is putting out about 1500 hp on nitro now, right?
__________________
vīdī, vīcī, vēnī!
johnchypermotard is online now   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 6th, 2008, 4:47 pm   #10 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
scooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Denver, CO, USA
Posts: 667
Since the engines are so similar and since this topic was discussed to death on the SC forum, check out this thread:

flywheel, cams or pistons

and this link:

http://www.duc.bz/DUC_Tests_NicholsFlywheel.htm

Also, Dietrich has a fairly recent thread in the SC forum that's devoted to his project of lightening a stock flywheel. Good stuff!
__________________
Andy

08 Hypermotard S (red)
07 GT1000 (gray), traded for Hypermotard
06 Genuine Buddy 125
04 Aprilia 50cc 2 stroke, 65 cc cylinder head, touring exhaust, RIP
Custom road bike, Ciocc steel frame, campy road set
scooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Lightweight Flywheel - Pros and Cons Shazaam Hall of Wisdom 30 Dec 13th, 2010 9:24 am
Lighter Flywheel for 1098 Italianbllr3 Superbikes 0 Oct 6th, 2008 12:40 pm
Lighter Flywheel and 520 chain breakdown HyperMotard 10 Jul 10th, 2008 10:52 pm
What do you guys think about upgrading flywheels? S4one Superbikes 37 Feb 5th, 2007 12:42 pm
Benefits of lighter flywheel brianmdavis Superbikes 4 Mar 1st, 2006 12:32 am

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 3:51 pm.



Ducati.ms Web Community is powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
Motorcycle News, Videos and Reviews
Ducati Forum Harley Davidson Honda 600RR Kawasaki Forum Yamaha R6
1199 Panigale Roadglide Forum Honda CBR1000 Vulcan Forum Yamaha R1
Ducati Monster Harley Forums Honda CBR250R ZX10R Forum Star Raider
Suzuki GSXR V-Rod Forums Honda Shadow Kawasaki Motorcycles Star Warrior
SV650 Forum BMW S1000RR Honda Fury Kawasaki Versys Drag Racing
Suzuki V-Strom BMW K1600 Triumph Forum Victory Forums Sportbikes
Volusia Forum BMW F800 Triumph 675 MV Agusta Forum Streetfighters