anyone besides Ghezzi tried 5w fork oil yet?

[Monstaman]

Originally Posted by Lumpy Idol

Well, I'm no expert, but I do love to tinker with $hit...


anyway, my logic is this. Our bikes sit about 10 feet off the ground, which puts a lot of 'leverage' to move the bike around - thus having a pogo effect of sorts.
Our suspension has more travel than sportbikes so the springs are softer - contributing to even more pogo effect.

Most of us ride the our bikes on the street or the track, so we need less pogo effect???

So, to slow things down (suspension movement, not the bike) you would want the suspension to move less and behave more like a sportbike.

To do that, you would go to a heavier weight oil (in theory) if you don't have enough adjustment's to go around, fork oil will get you pretty far...

Stuff ... are you a chick lumpy cos that sound very logical

So what weight are you Lumpy?, I am guessing the susp is set up for middle of the road stuff but weight will have quite a bearing on this.

[freezer16801]

are we comparing S models to standards here, or all S's? Reason being, my standard came with a real soft rear shock. I added 3 or 4 turns of preload and almost all of the compression so it didn't squat so damn much coming out of corners. The front was the stiff one for me.

[Lumpy Idol]

Originally Posted by Monstaman

Stuff ... are you a chick lumpy cos that sound very logical

So what weight are you Lumpy?, I am guessing the susp is set up for middle of the road stuff but weight will have quite a bearing on this.

I'm about 185 actually

The weight shouldn't matter *that* much because you have to start off by setting the sag, so all this discussion is based on the fact that the sag is set. If it is not set, then I wouldn't change anything yet.....otherwise you might be going the wrong way and not even know it.


As far as the *oil* weight, I'm running some weird concoction I think equivalent of about 9w.

This is just a gauge to see if we are going in the right direction. Unfortunately it will take a few tries.....

I am going up to 10w next and see if it is better or worse than what I have now. So on and so on until I feel that the change made it worse. Then I will 'backtrack' 1/2 way and should put me as close as I need to be...

If anyone in socal wants to try out my bike, more than welcome - to see if the changes are positive.

[GHEZZI]

Never heard so much crap in all my life, nogOOder, PM me and I'll give you some real logic.

Raising the yokes/lowering the forks will only increase your rake and trail and slow down steering response, it will not alter the suspension action, how far and how fast it compresses and rebounds.

The Hyper is not a sports bike, it is on over sized (heavy) chook chaser. Most sports bike riders go for "race track" (hard) settings on their bikes which will work fine on smooth road. Ever notice how they avoid known rough roads, their bikes bounce all over the place and their kidneys cop a flogging. Talk to Rossi or Jeremy Burgess and they set his M1 as soft as possible, the suspension needs compliance to soak up the bumps!

How much do you weigh? How fast do you ride? Where do you ride? What is your preferrence for ride quality, comfort/handling?

The above questions have just introduced 4 variables that may require different set-up for every rider. The first 3 we may answer the same but; "What is your preference?" What you 'FEEL' may be different to what I 'FEEL' and we may also interpret our FEELings differently.

The standard suspension is actually very good, the best I've ever experienced of the 40 bikes I've owned, but 5w fork oil was a big improvement for reducing HARSHNESS for ME, the ultimate set up would be Scotty's GTR 25 cartridge conversion or Mountainriders afore mentioned alternative ................................ watch this space.

[Monstaman]

Originally Posted by Lumpy Idol

I'm about 185 actually

Gezz fatty ... actually I am about 190 - 192 with gear on.

Some have discussed just lowering the quantity of oil in each leg, that may be an interesting tact too, how hard is it to change the oil in the Maz's?

I am waiting on my bike to arrive and can't wait (but I will have to), be hear early September with a little luck.

[GHEZZI]

Originally Posted by Lumpy Idol

Well, I'm no expert, ......anyway, my logic is this. Our bikes sit about 10 feet off the ground, which puts a lot of 'leverage' to move the bike around - thus having a pogo effect of sorts...... Our suspension has more travel than sportbikes so the springs are softer - ...... to slow things down (suspension movement, not the bike) you would want the suspension to move less and behave more like a sportbike.

I'm no expert, I will agree with you this once!
my logic, I'm .

10 feet off the ground, Do you have any understanding of 'centre of gravity' and how it works FOR YOU, when raised?

leverage, Our wide bars give us heaps of that, it adds greatly to the feeling of light quick steering compared to sports bikes with clip-ons.

thus having a pogo effect, With standard settings my bike BUCKED all over the road like a hard tailed Orangatang County Chopper

more travel ..... springs are softer, Springs support weight, they don't dictate travel. More travel means we can have MORE COMPLIANT suspension as it has a longer stroke which enables it to soak up bigger bumps.

want the suspension to move less, I don't see the point of having 165mm of fork travel and my forks going rigid after compressing 100mm. I want to be able to brake hard and then, if I hit a bump the suspension needs to be able to absorb the shock/loads with out upsetting tyre adhesion, especially when cornering.

Well, thats my 2 bobs worth, but what do I know, I've crashed more times than I've owned bikes.

[Lumpy Idol]

I think I agree with pretty much everything you said....

Originally Posted by GHEZZI

I'm no expert, I will agree with you this once!
my logic, I'm .

10 feet off the ground, Do you have any understanding of 'centre of gravity' and how it works FOR YOU, when raised? Of course - the higher you are, the more the bike wants to pogo for given spring tension

leverage, Our wide bars give us heaps of that, it adds greatly to the feeling of light quick steering compared to sports bikes with clip-ons. No where in my post did we discuss steering???

thus having a pogo effect, With standard settings my bike BUCKED all over the road like a hard tailed Orangatang County Chopper Ok... did you find out why? That could be a million reasons. Not disagreeing with you...

more travel ..... springs are softer, Springs support weight, they don't dictate travel. More travel means we can have MORE COMPLIANT suspension as it has a longer stroke which enables it to soak up bigger bumps. Again -true to a degree.. springs support weight, of course. But, a softer spring is going to yield more travel than hard springs...

want the suspension to move less, I don't see the point of having 165mm of fork travel and my forks going rigid after compressing 100mm. I want to be able to brake hard and then, if I hit a bump the suspension needs to be able to absorb the shock/loads with out upsetting tyre adhesion, especially when cornering. Ok, granted, but for a sport bike application, you dont' need all the 165mm of travel.

Well, thats my 2 bobs worth, but what do I know, I've crashed more times than I've owned bikes.

Hey I'm not saying one way is better than the other, I'm simply saying that I am going a certain direction at the moment and it may well end up being the wrong way, which may prompt me to come to you and ask you to share some findings....

But, at the moment, the bike feels good with heavier oil, that's all.

I would gladly let you ride my bike to try if you are ever in the area

[alounacara]

Whats a 2 bobs worth??
I punked a Buell comin home tonight

[GHEZZI]

Originally Posted by alounacara

Whats a 2 bobs worth??
I punked a Buell comin home tonight

Two bob = twenty cents, about 2 cents worth X 10. Congrats on the Buell bashing.

Would love to take up Lumpy's offer of a ride but my Banana Republic is a big swim away from his Republic of America. Would be good to go canyon carving with you guys.

There's a business downunder shifting containers of bikes around the globe so we all can experience other cultures on two wheels, if you guys want a guided Hyper tour downunder then get routed . www.getrouted.com.au

[Lumpy Idol]

Seriously, I would love to rent a hypo or MTS and go for some riding around Aus.....

Bathurst 1000 anyone?

Holdens and Skylines everywhere?


Hello Sheila.


I'm going. Hello Ghezzi