Spec Sheets on HM's - Ducati.ms

Buckelew · Feb 7th, 2007, 9:05 pm

http://www.ducati.com/news/07/news002/news002.jhtml

difference between the Standard and the S is;
- S has lighter wheels
- S has Ohlins Rear Shock

Both have Marzocchi forks. the lighter wheels are nice - when I'm told Ohlins suspension......I expected Ohlins forks also.

Have to decide if it's worth the extra $3k.......any opinions?

AZ_Scott · Feb 8th, 2007, 12:15 am

I thought I read somewhere that the forks were supposed to be an upgrade, maybe like an OEM fork with an Ohlins internals kit installed. I might be making that up in my own head, I'm not sure. They do have a TiN coating, though. So there's some bling factor.

There's also a couple of carbon bits on the S that are plastic on the standard. And the calipers on the S are the Brembo Monoblocs. That should be a pretty sweet feature right there.

I don't know if it's really "worth it" to buy the S, but that's what I'm getting anyway. Hey, I'm a sucker...

bevel450 · Feb 8th, 2007, 1:10 am

Hmmm. The S is a whopping four lbs. ( LOL) lighter, probably through the difference in front wheels ( the rears are the same on both models), and some minor differences in the shock assembly.

Dunno about this package. Even the MultiStrudel S has an Ohlins fork, right ? That really sucks, especially if you think of HM as what the MS should have been in the first place, yes ?

So....for the $3K difference you buy the standard HM, buy the Ohlins shocker, and then spend the balance on some nice wheels that are lighter still than the S front wheel. And you have a better-than-equal-to the S package.

Oh yeah....the bling factor. Fuck bling. Spend what monies you might have budgeted for future bling on the engine. 95 hp can be easily improved. Check out the AMS website for the changes they made to the same DS 1100 engine as applied to the Sport Classics, and got it up to (IIRC) 117 hp.

Lastly, if you are as irritated by the lack of Ohlins as I am, go to the Minoli blog and register your complaint. I sure would.

Buckelew · Feb 8th, 2007, 1:41 am

I've got Minoli's e-mail. I may do that. and post on the blog. I put my deposit down last May, told them I wanted an 'S' with the Ohlins suspension, and will follow through on my word.

If it's Marzocchi...I may soon be taking my suspension to Rick at Cogent Dynamics for his magic. I have no experience with Marzocchi - but plenty with Ohlins. And Showa with Rick's magic done with Penske internals.

Still....looking forward to the ride from my dealership (Ducati Seattle) to home (San Jose, CA) - about 850 miles. Could take a few days - with side roads. And more miles.

flatovercrest · Feb 8th, 2007, 1:46 am

Bevel450, where did you read about the rear wheels being the same between S and standard, even if the S claims "forged wheels"? I was unaware of that.

flatovercrest · Feb 8th, 2007, 1:50 am

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Originally Posted by Buckelew

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when I'm told Ohlins suspension......I expected Ohlins forks also.

I agree with that..rather annoying.

bevel450 · Feb 8th, 2007, 2:02 am

Sure....the spec sheet says the front wheel is " 5 spoke in light alloy....", and for the S, it says " 5 spoke in forged light alloy". A typo or difference in spec ?

There is no difference in the rear wheel which says "forged" in either spec.

I had to conclude that the four lbs. difference in weight was at least partially due to this. The real caveats are that they don't give the full run down on anything else and the asterix says that these are still "....subject to slight alteration before production."

What are your thoughts ? Where do you think those four lbs. come from ? Is that 4 lbs. a possible typo as well ? Certainly it did not come from the rear shock....LOL

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Originally Posted by flatovercrest

Bevel450, where did you read about the rear wheels being the same between S and standard, even if the S claims "forged wheels"? I was unaware of that.

Grunbay · Feb 8th, 2007, 6:39 am

I seriously doubt that the difference in description of the front wheel is a typo. Forged wheels are more expensive.The forging process adds significant strength. They are only lighter if they are machined to slimer dimensions, taking advantage of that extra strength. Carbon fiber is a lot lighter than plastic or fiberglass. I suspect that most of the difference in weight is the CF parts on the HM S.

Look over the Marzocchi website (international - not USA, which only sells bicycle suspension). I assume that the HM S is using the 50MM RAC fork. I'm betting that this is a very nice unit. I doubt that the performance is materially different, and may even be better, than an Ohlins. Marzocchi has a bad rep among Ducati enthusiasts because Ducati often sources its cheaper forks from Marzocchi. (remember the post-1995 900SS/CR?)

That having been said, I would much prefer an Ohlins fork, and would pay the difference in manufacturer's cost. However, I fully admit that this is because I own an Ohlins-suspended Ducati and love it! I have no experience with the Marzocchis and, like anyone else, I fear the unknown. Particularly when upgrading to Ohlins later would run nearly $3,000!!!

rubyvrooom · Feb 8th, 2007, 10:31 am

i posted a poll last night asking the same question... here is a summary of the votes so far.

winner seems to be "get the S and be done with it"

MonsterBoard Poll:
Question: if the Hypermotard S didn't come with Öhlins front forks would you get the standard model and buy Öhlins with the cash you saved?

1) i would get the S and the Öhlins front fork aftermarket, even if i had to change the triple trees - 3 (13%)
2) i would get the S and be done with it - 9 (39.1%)
3) i would get the standard model and upgrade to the Öhlins front fork - 0 (0%)
4) i would get the standard model and be done with it - 8 (34.8%)
5) i hate the hypermotard - 3 (13%)

Total Voters So Far: 23

poll here:
http://www.ducatimonster.org/smf/ind...?topic=71485.0

thanks
RubyVrooom

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bevel450 · Feb 8th, 2007, 1:09 pm

You have a good point here. If the HM comes with the same quality Marzocchis that the Sport Classics do, then it could mean trouble for an aggressively ridden HM. The recent Motorcyclist review of Triumph and Ducati retro bikes....the Duc with Marzocchi forks....was not at all flattering to the SC's. (The AMS site in Dallas lists the Ohlins fork set for the SC at $2018.)

Mark B., have you read that article ? If may give you the shivers !

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Originally Posted by Grunbay

Look over the Marzocchi website (international - not USA, which only sells bicycle suspension). I assume that the HM S is using the 50MM RAC fork. I'm betting that this is a very nice unit. I doubt that the performance is materially different, and may even be better, than an Ohlins. Marzocchi has a bad rep among Ducati enthusiasts because Ducati often sources its cheaper forks from Marzocchi. (remember the post-1995 900SS/CR?)

That having been said, I would much prefer an Ohlins fork, and would pay the difference in manufacturer's cost. However, I fully admit that this is because I own an Ohlins-suspended Ducati and love it! I have no experience with the Marzocchis and, like anyone else, I fear the unknown. Particularly when upgrading to Ohlins later would run nearly $3,000!!!