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Old Sep 2nd, 2011, 1:11 pm   #1 (permalink)
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How to make your Hyper perfect (as if you didn't know...)

I love my Hypermotard EVO SP; its agility, handling, responsiveness and the liveliness of the engine are unmatched. Easily one of the most fun bikes you can ride, and it looks GORGEOUS too.

Still, the bike was fundamentally flawed. I got the full 2-1 Termi installed before even picking it up new from the dealer, thinking that it would address the stalling and fueling issues other owners were complaining about. It did not.

From the get go, the bike's fueling was unpredictable. The engine would sometimes shut off when pulling in the clutch to downshift. It would happen a lot more after holding the gas steady for a while (say, after riding on a freeway for a stretch). It happened a couple of times while doing quick downshifts entering a corner at significant speed - major sphincter contractions followed as the corner was taken on a dead bike.

Several trips to the dealer followed - they adjusted and tuned all the obvious things, multiple times. It helped a bit, for a while, then back to random stalls. As the miles went up it got even more unpredictable - sometimes I could go a few days without an issue, then it would die on me 5 or 6 times just coming back from work. On top of that, the bike's fueling under 4K was always on the rough side - keeping a steady throttle below 5K or so was almost impossible without lurching/hesitation.

I know people on this forum are well aware of the above issues. Anyhow, as you can imagine confidence in a bike is soon lost when there is a chance that shutting the throttle and pulling the clutch could result in the engine dying. I finally had enough and decided to get the bike properly sorted out.

Took it to my friend Tige at CycleMall in Tustin (----Welcome to CM Motorsports----) and he put a Bazzaz FI unit on and did a custom map on the dyno. The results are amazing: no more stalling, not a hint of lurching or hesitation, I can hold the throttle steady at 3K RPM and it is just a perfectly smooth low frequency rumble. So awesome... All of the insane backfiring is also gone - infrequent loud "pops" now only happen when cutting power hard (which is great fun) as opposed to being obnoxiously omnipresent.

And Tige did not stop there. After riding the bike he pronounced the handling "horrible" (he does that ) - he then lowered the rear and raised the triple clamp some until he was happy with it. Again, the results were remarkable. Relaxing the geometry just a bit really calmed the front end. Cornering is much more linear, without that excessive initial drop. The bike just rolls side to side - there is also less dive on hard braking. Those that are bothered by the frontend and blame the suspension should try the same change - it really improves handling exponentially.

Overall, the bike feels totally transformed - its promise finally fulfilled. If you are having similar issues then it is worth taking the plunge.

Now I can't wait to take it to the track!

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Old Sep 2nd, 2011, 2:23 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Sexy EVO... Congratulations. Tige did Mi Bazzaz Z-FI/Tune recently, as well.

However: Speaking from personal experience; Lowering the ride height in the rear is a bad idea. I had it "there" at first... After taking it to the track, and not feeling the front end "plant to grip" sufficiently, a friend (08Hyper Alex) advised Mi to jack the ride-height link up ala stinkbug, so that more weight could be on the front wheel, permitting hotter corner entry. The brakes are incredible on this bike, I always want to push it to see how late/hard I can brake!

I have never ridden with Tige, but Alex is fast as fvck, and now I'm faster, too FWIW. After all that time, I can't believe I had Mi Hyper suspension set up lyke a cruiser. Then again, personal taste is personal taste. Enjoy.
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Old Sep 2nd, 2011, 3:58 pm   #3 (permalink)
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Sexy EVO... Congratulations. Tige did Mi Bazzaz Z-FI/Tune recently, as well.

However: Speaking from personal experience; Lowering the ride height in the rear is a bad idea. I had it "there" at first... After taking it to the track, and not feeling the front end "plant to grip" sufficiently, a friend (08Hyper Alex) advised Mi to jack the ride-height link up ala stinkbug, so that more weight could be on the front wheel, permitting hotter corner entry. The brakes are incredible on this bike, I always want to push it to see how late/hard I can brake!
Thanks!

The EVO SP has a different geometry than the other models, much more tilted forward - I think perhaps a bit too much. As you can see from the pic my bike is still very forward biased, just not as much as it was before (Tige only lowered it around 6 mm, I think). I find the corrected setup still plenty aggressive, but much more controllable than the stock setup. The bike just handles a lot better (in my humble opinion, of course... ).

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I have never ridden with Tige, but Alex is fast as fvck, and now I'm faster, too FWIW. After all that time, I can't believe I had Mi Hyper suspension set up lyke a cruiser. Then again, personal taste is personal taste. Enjoy.
Yeah, Tige is scary fast too, and of course his racers... damn! I am not even in the same planet. I am just happy the bike now works as it should have from day one - I really don't think I could have had fun with it at the track the way it was before.

Maybe I'll see you at Streets or Buttonwillow...
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Maybe I'll see you at Streets or Buttonwillow...
LOL I was just thinking, the EVO may be taller in all the right places...

Pff. No such place. You mean Willow Springs
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Raising the rear even 5 mm will have a big effect on handling (of any bike) but generally at the cost of stability. My Evo sp feels like I have much more of a connection to the front end when I sit closer to the tank and lean forward when getting into turns hot, if I don't do this I feel like the front wheel is too far away and I cant really feel whats going on. Maybe because I have always ridden forward biased sportbikes, but that's what it feels like to me. I do think the forks suck, when a dedicated cartridge kit comes out for this specific bike I will probably get one. I would like to just have the forks revalved, but I think these are sealed cartridges and you cant do it. I am not so sure about lowering the rear on this bike, don't know if I would want to do that. But what the hell, I may try it and see what it feels like. Also nice to know the Bazzaz unit and a proper remapping helped (as I have had some of the fueling issues the OP had) I have been thinking about getting that done too.
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Old Sep 4th, 2011, 12:01 pm   #6 (permalink)
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Apessino, my 2010 Hyper EVO SP has absolutely none of the issues that you describe. I have just over 2700 miles on it. Fueling is fine from top to bottom. Steady throttle at low RPM is smooth, no lurching or hesitation. I still have the stock pipes though. I was under the impression that those problems went away with the 2010 EVO bikes that have different electronics than the earlier Hypers. I have had it die a couple times on a quick throttle chop & simultaneous clutch pull, but not lately.
The forks even seem stiffer than what I expected. No complaints about excessive dive.
I also think Iowering the rear ride height is a bad idea. We have hardly any good twisties here, but I also find myself up hugging the tank in the few I find. Just seems like that’s how you ride this bike in certain conditions.
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Old Sep 4th, 2011, 2:32 pm   #7 (permalink)
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you will be fine with only 5mm of drop on the evo..especially with all the extra travel you have..and u said they also dropped some out of the front as well...so as long as your not breaking any track records..jus take it easy and make your changes from there...i have a heavily modded 08 and i lowered mine 5mm using a titanium spring and have ohlins carts lowered 6mm in front..with bst wheels and it handles like on rails..its hard to get to even slide a bit..unless your really pushing..on the track 1-5 im a 4 so i push it pretty hard.good luck,be safe,have fun!
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