One last time. PC5 and Bazzaz info needed for HM EVO 1100

[krisnet55]

Ive been reading on the subject and still can get this straight, dunno maybe im retarded.
I gathered some info on the Bazzaz as its EASIER to talk to them since ur not on HOLD FOR 25 FAWKING MIN like Dynojet. Anyways.......

What Bazzaz told me (quote me if im wrong) is that the unit maps the ECU at 3k RPM's and above (all their units do from 3k rpm, regardless of bike). And that there is only one O2 adjuster that goes on the rear cylinder to get the mapping done. You put it on learn mode then take it for a spin and load the map, done deal.
Now what effect does this thing do to an open loop ECU? I have my ECU reflashed and while im happier with the performance I still think its lagging here and there. Question is that if the stock ecu is closed loop till 4500 rpm or 5k (whatever it is) and the bazzaz starts to tune at 3k rpm and above, how does the bazzaz tune it from 3k to 4500 rpm if its closed loop? Are they just BS meaning that for the Hyper it starts tuning it at 4500 rpm rather then 3K? Im concerned that if I install a Bazzaz my reflashed ECU will not work at 3K and below, meaning it wont read the reflashed map. Its not really a big concern but if the PC5 can tune it all around (with a reflashed ecu) I would prefer it over the Bazzaz.

So does anyone know if the PC5 will tune the whole power band if the ECU is reflashed/open loop. I also read that the PC5 adjusts continually while riding. Can you load a map and remove the autotune thing rather then having it continually in adjusting mode?
Also since my ECU is reflashed will I need that additional box the optimzer thing they mention?
And finally is the the PC5 out or not? Their website says under development but some people have it, whats the deal?
I wish they would cut the time of holding when you call then at least to half

[Seven9Six]

Originally Posted by krisnet55

Ive been reading on the subject and still can get this straight, dunno maybe im retarded.
I gathered some info on the Bazzaz as its EASIER to talk to them since ur not on HOLD FOR 25 FAWKING MIN like Dynojet. Anyways.......

What Bazzaz told me (quote me if im wrong) is that the unit maps the ECU at 3k RPM's and above (all their units do from 3k rpm, regardless of bike). And that there is only one O2 adjuster that goes on the rear cylinder to get the mapping done. You put it on learn mode then take it for a spin and load the map, done deal.
Now what effect does this thing do to an open loop ECU? I have my ECU reflashed and while im happier with the performance I still think its lagging here and there. Question is that if the stock ecu is closed loop till 4500 rpm or 5k (whatever it is) and the bazzaz starts to tune at 3k rpm and above, how does the bazzaz tune it from 3k to 4500 rpm if its closed loop? Are they just BS meaning that for the Hyper it starts tuning it at 4500 rpm rather then 3K? Im concerned that if I install a Bazzaz my reflashed ECU will not work at 3K and below, meaning it wont read the reflashed map. Its not really a big concern but if the PC5 can tune it all around (with a reflashed ecu) I would prefer it over the Bazzaz.

So does anyone know if the PC5 will tune the whole power band if the ECU is reflashed/open loop. I also read that the PC5 adjusts continually while riding. Can you load a map and remove the autotune thing rather then having it continually in adjusting mode?
Also since my ECU is reflashed will I need that additional box the optimzer thing they mention?
And finally is the the PC5 out or not? Their website says under development but some people have it, whats the deal?
I wish they would cut the time of holding when you call then at least to half

You should have waited the 25 minutes and actually talked to Power Commander and you wouldn't be guessing about what it does.

The PC5 comes with the optimizer box like i said in previous posts. The optimizer box connects to BOTH 02 sensors. The AUTO TUNE is a completly seperate purchase.

[krisnet55]

Originally Posted by Seven9Six

You should have waited the 25 minutes and actually talked to Power Commander and you wouldn't be guessing about what it does.

The PC5 comes with the optimizer box like i said in previous posts. The optimizer box connects to BOTH 02 sensors. The AUTO TUNE is a completly seperate purchase.

I know it comes with an optimizer box which supposly regulates ur AFR for the closed loop area. Question is do I still need it having a reflagged ECU which is open loop?


And 25 min is unacceptable considering you have competitors that answer in a min

[08hyper]

I'm not 100% sure about the EVO/SP fuel injection system, (mine's a 08) but if its been reflashed to a "open" state, NO O2 sensor, the PCV will be able to map the entire rpm range, and if you have a custom map made on a dyno, you will not need the autotune device. Aloha Alex

[krisnet55]

Originally Posted by 08hyper

I'm not 100% sure about the EVO/SP fuel injection system, (mine's a 08) but if its been reflashed to a "open" state, NO O2 sensor, the PCV will be able to map the entire rpm range, and if you have a custom map made on a dyno, you will not need the autotune device. Aloha Alex

Sometimes I wish I had bought the 08, so much more info on it.
Hopefully on the EVO its the same

[krisnet55]

Well I just waited 25 min and finally got through to get no answer to my questions asked.
Simply put its not out and not for sale. They also are not sure it will control all the range being its closed loop or open loop.


I guess its gonna be Bazzaz

[Decreasing Dave]

Standby, I'm waiting on a text from Dusty.

Dave

[krisnet55]

Originally Posted by Decreasing Dave

Standby, I'm waiting on a text from Dusty.

Dave

Cool thanks

[DynojetResearch]

Dave, my awesome Iphone has gone capput on the text so no love there.

Unfortunately we have NOT looked at the Hyper EVO yet. More than likely it will be the same as the M1100 but I can't say for sure.

The PCV by itself will NOT adjust closed loop. You will be able to purchase the optional O2 Optimzer which will connect to both O2 sensors and it is set to achieve an AFR of around 13.6:1 in the closed loop area. This is pretty cool the way it works as the Optimizer by itself works like an Autotune constantly monitoring and altering the AFR on the fly to keep it at the stated AFR. The unit is adjustable thru the software to make it richer or leaner if desired and you can adjust each cylinder independently.

Outside of the closed loop you adjust each cell as usual with the PCV.

If using the Auto tune our unit does make changes live, while riding. These changes can be saved and applied to the base map and then turned off if desired.

krisnet55 - sorry about the phone lines. Calls are crazy this year! We just hired 2 more guys so hopefully this will get better soon. Feel free to PM me with any questions.

IF ANYONE HAS A HYPER EVO AND CAN GET IT TO LAS VEGAS I WILL GLADLY GIVE YOU A PCV AND TUNE IT FOR FREE. LET ME KNOW.

[goin2leaveamk]

I like to start by stating I am not a Baazzaz expert but I have done research using the info available. I have had one on order for 2 months but due to a supply issue with the O2 eliminator delivery has been delayed so I don't have any first hand knowledge yet. The air fuel ratio really is the only thing that you have to be concerned with because this is what is going to produce a smooth powerband if set properly. The Bazzaz intervenes between your ECU and injectors so if your AFR is off the Bazzaz will compensate and give you the assigned AFR that you have given it or the basic map included with the unit. I recommend getting the auto-tune as well as this will give you the most accurate suggestions based on your current conditions such as elevation, humidity, temp and etc. Maps that are loaded into stock and dp ecu's are written on a dyno somewhere in a controlled environment with certain components installed. As your mods change the maps will begin to suffer not allowing your AFR to be in your target area. I am currently building my own exhaust and have done several other mods so this to me is the most logical route. I did notice on Bazzaz's site that the description for the Z-Fi fuel control does state that it is adjustable from 0-5000 rpm. I don't know if this true or not but i hope to find out soon - so the say.

Andrew
2011 Hyper 1100evo