Termi 2 into 1 - Aus Questions

[Jono1000]

Hey guys, will be picking up my Evo SP at the end of the week.....very excited. But Im already thinking of mods hehe

I do like the Termi 2 into 1 system, due to the weight savings and performance increase.
Got a couple of questions for anyone who has the system installed and/or who has installed it themselves.

- Im looking at getting the system from the US, with the current exchange rate it is a good price. Plus to buy the system out here in Australia is really expensive.
But, are there issues with 1: using an ECU from the US. Are there different maps shipped with ECU's from different regions? and 2: am I going to have issues with warranty, as in if there is a fault with either the system or ecu, etc? (realise that you run the risk of warranty with buying stuff overseas)

- Has anyone installed these systems themselves? Got no problems throwing a spanner around, but would I need special 'Ducati' tools to install?
Also am I again going to run into warranty issues because it wasn't installed by a Ducati dealer?

I know there are other exhaust systems out there, but the main reason for the Termi is that it is a 'Ducati' system for warranty, etc and that its a plug and play upgrade. No need to take the bike and get it tunned, etc.

Also, anyone had issues with the Termi 2 into 1 with pillion passengers? Any hot legs, etc


Thanks guys

[joelpatrol]

Could be worth checking the price in Aussie first, as I've heard from a reliable source that parts prices here are undergoing a revamp due to so much trade going elsewhere.

Performance ECU's are the same worldwide and pipes and airbox mods are pretty much plug & play when you go Termi all the way.

[1sicmofo]

i had the dealer install the ti term 2 into 1 labor parts n labor was $3200.00 which was a present

from my girl.

its a pretty involved install and they have to reset the tps and download

the lastest map in the ecu.

plus its warranted the same as my bike.

i love the power difference and the off throttle pops and cracks are sweet.

i did have them remove the db killer also.

[johnnie27]

Originally Posted by Jono1000

Hey guys, will be picking up my Evo SP at the end of the week.....very excited. But Im already thinking of mods hehe

I do like the Termi 2 into 1 system, due to the weight savings and performance increase.
Got a couple of questions for anyone who has the system installed and/or who has installed it themselves.

- Im looking at getting the system from the US, with the current exchange rate it is a good price. Plus to buy the system out here in Australia is really expensive.
But, are there issues with 1: using an ECU from the US. Are there different maps shipped with ECU's from different regions? and 2: am I going to have issues with warranty, as in if there is a fault with either the system or ecu, etc? (realise that you run the risk of warranty with buying stuff overseas)

- Has anyone installed these systems themselves? Got no problems throwing a spanner around, but would I need special 'Ducati' tools to install?
Also am I again going to run into warranty issues because it wasn't installed by a Ducati dealer?

I know there are other exhaust systems out there, but the main reason for the Termi is that it is a 'Ducati' system for warranty, etc and that its a plug and play upgrade. No need to take the bike and get it tunned, etc.

Also, anyone had issues with the Termi 2 into 1 with pillion passengers? Any hot legs, etc


Thanks guys

mate i may get flammed for this but i'll share this with you..the old hyper 08+ which used completely diff ecu..got a great increase when the termi pipes and dp ecu was added (4-6hp from the sheets i have looked at), the new hyper 2010+ with seimens does not seem to, 2 of them that had termi fitted 2-1 at Ducati melbourne etc..(1 made 1rwhp, the other lost 1 rwhp (it did have a larger tank fitted resrticking air i assume) the issue is not the pipes its the ecu, they have had similar results with the new monster with seimens ecu as has a gentlemen in WA that is a great tuner (he installs alot of the wasp works kits and helped develop software for the PCV that now comes as a kit (from what i was told) i have spoken with him at bunbry dyno a few times when i was in the same dilhema as you are now, 1 year ago though...so i built my own and run a pro-tune flash and tpo stacks..picked up 11 rwhp...and a guy on here from sydney has the wasp kit with the PCV and zard pipes from memory has made even more rwhp (well diff dyno's) ..

i'm not anti termi, but just thought i'd share some facts before you shell out alot of coin for no result, that i have seen anyway..

[Jono1000]

Thanks for the feedback guys.
Hmm still in a bit of a dilemma. Obviously I have 2 years factory warranty, and feel if I don’t use an 'authorised' exhaust and ecu, that if there are any problems the dealer will blame that straight away.
But if I decided to install the exhaust myself, do I then throw away the warranty anyway?

Thanks for the info Johnnie, does sound strange that there have been 2 cases of the 2 into 1 showing little or no improvement in power. Is it a problem with maps running in Australian conditions?
At this stage looking for something I can throw on myself that will make her sound better, get a bit lighter and a small power increase.

So would it be more worthwhile just getting the twin slip-ons plus cat remover? Does this really save weight compared to the full 2 into 1 pipe?

[johnnie27]

Originally Posted by Jono1000

Thanks for the feedback guys.
Hmm still in a bit of a dilemma. Obviously I have 2 years factory warranty, and feel if I don’t use an 'authorised' exhaust and ecu, that if there are any problems the dealer will blame that straight away.
But if I decided to install the exhaust myself, do I then throw away the warranty anyway?

Thanks for the info Johnnie, does sound strange that there have been 2 cases of the 2 into 1 showing little or no improvement in power. Is it a problem with maps running in Australian conditions?
At this stage looking for something I can throw on myself that will make her sound better, get a bit lighter and a small power increase.

So would it be more worthwhile just getting the twin slip-ons plus cat remover? Does this really save weight compared to the full 2 into 1 pipe?

ok so there seems to be no easy fix to the way the new ecu works, you can get a PCV and then have it dyno'd with stacks (or use the protune like i did) around $500 for the protune (inc hand controller) (this deletes both O2 sensors) and i think my stacks were around $340 , anything you do that modify's the air intake will need to be checked on a dyno period.
its too risky not to check the AFR.IMO.
if your trying to stick to a budget i would do stacks and the tune, and a cat delete...you'll lose some weight and gain good power..search for (MR r) i think he is the guy in sydney perhaps you could talk or you can always PM me and i can give you my number to share my experience in modifing my evo sp..

there is around 1.2kgs diff in 2-1 and 2-2 also

[Jono1000]

Well picked up the bike today, and just love this motorcycle!

I have decided on the Termi 2 into 1 pipe which ill look at putting on soon.
But just had a thought, if I looked at getting the pipe from the US, am I going to have issues with the ECU running in MPH instead of KM/H?

Sorry for all the questions, but appreciate the feedback from everyone.

[johnnie27]

Originally Posted by Jono1000

Well picked up the bike today, and just love this motorcycle!

I have decided on the Termi 2 into 1 pipe which ill look at putting on soon.
But just had a thought, if I looked at getting the pipe from the US, am I going to have issues with the ECU running in MPH instead of KM/H?

Sorry for all the questions, but appreciate the feedback from everyone.

ok interesting choice, uS purchase will be fine, speedo can be in MPH or KMPH thats no issue....good time to buy as the $ is high

[Jono1000]

Yeh I know. The other bikes I have had previously were second-hand and out of their warranty period, so didnt bother me doing mods as if something broke I would need to fix it anyway.
This is the first new bike I have had, and really want to keep the 2 year warranty. So that's why im going for the 'factory' aftermarket option. Cause knowing my luck, something would happen to the bike and the dealer would blame the 'non-approved' pipe and/or reflashed ECU, etc.

Yes with the $ the way it is, can save a fair bit of money buying it from the US, but just wondering if someone has done it before, and if they had any compatibility issues?
Or am I going to have to take it to the dealer to get the speedo setting changed, or are all the speedo settings, Odometer, etc stored in the dash, not the ecu?

[johnnie27]

Originally Posted by Jono1000

Yeh I know. The other bikes I have had previously were second-hand and out of their warranty period, so didnt bother me doing mods as if something broke I would need to fix it anyway.
This is the first new bike I have had, and really want to keep the 2 year warranty. So that's why im going for the 'factory' aftermarket option. Cause knowing my luck, something would happen to the bike and the dealer would blame the 'non-approved' pipe and/or reflashed ECU, etc.

Yes with the $ the way it is, can save a fair bit of money buying it from the US, but just wondering if someone has done it before, and if they had any compatibility issues?
Or am I going to have to take it to the dealer to get the speedo setting changed, or are all the speedo settings, Odometer, etc stored in the dash, not the ecu?

on the warranty point i doubt weather ducati australia will warranty your motor with a termi sysytem bought from O/s and not fitted by them, i would definatley ask if you are worried...having said that this engine is as old as the hills..i wouldn't be worried about warranty issues with it....its a dinosaur of a motor with some improvements not some high tech wizz bang thing...if you did get the termi from the US i advise that you give it a run on a dyno..not to see how much power you lost (sorry i'm sure it will be ok) . but to make sure the AFR is ok and not to lean, again just my advise