Is it true? Cant run aluminum friction plates on steel basket?

[krisnet55]

Ive been wanting to replace my clutch basket with a Barnett one that has the steel inserts but have been reading everywhere that in order to run a steel basket you need to run steel plates and vice versa.

I have been looking everywhere for steel clutch friction plates to match up with the barnett clutch basket but cant find them anywhere. It seems that the only steel fiction plates that exist are on older ducatis.


If all this is true why would Barnett sell a clutch basket with steel inserts and non steel clutch friction plates?

[tonered]

The stronger steel fingers on the basket will chew the hell out of the softer aluminum tabs on the pack. The beauty of an all alloy setup is that the clutch chatter is much quieter and much more pleasing to the ear.

Have a good one.

[krisnet55]

Originally Posted by tonered

The stronger steel fingers on the basket will chew the hell out of the softer aluminum tabs on the pack. The beauty of an all alloy setup is that the clutch chatter is much quieter and much more pleasing to the ear.

Have a good one.

That part I got, what im asking if there is a solution to the matter. Do they sell steel plates that fit the Hyper?

[tonered]

You asked if it was true.

You could certain buy a steel pack for an older model. They all essentially the same. You may have to adjust the stack height as spec'ed for the HM. You are going to be quite unhappy with the racket from a steel setup. You'd probably want to have a closed cover or quiet clutch mod parts handy.

The one benefit is that steel lasts a lot longer. OTOH, it will bang on a lot longer.

Have a good one.

[krisnet55]

Originally Posted by tonered

You asked if it was true.

You could certain buy a steel pack for an older model. They all essentially the same. You may have to adjust the stack height as spec'ed for the HM. You are going to be quite unhappy with the racket from a steel setup. You'd probably want to have a closed cover or quiet clutch mod parts handy.

The one benefit is that steel lasts a lot longer. OTOH, it will bang on a lot longer.

Have a good one.

Thanks. How bad is the life expectancy using a barnett basket with aluminum plates?

Ill take changing the clutch every 8K miles over a louder clutch any day

[08hyper]

Originally Posted by krisnet55

Ive been wanting to replace my clutch basket with a Barnett one that has the steel inserts but have been reading everywhere that in order to run a steel basket you need to run steel plates and vice versa.

I have been looking everywhere for steel clutch friction plates to match up with the barnett clutch basket but cant find them anywhere. It seems that the only steel fiction plates that exist are on older ducatis.


If all this is true why would Barnett sell a clutch basket with steel inserts and non steel clutch friction plates?

Man your really starting to over think this stuff, your going to make yourself crazy!

If you have a all steel basket its best to run all steel plates for the longest clutch life, if its a aluminum basket use aluminum plates, that way the basket & plates can wear out together (somewhat)

The only downside to a all steel clutch basket is that its heavy, not only in weight but also slows motor revs.

The Barnett aluminum basket is the exception, it has stainless steel inserts (patented) that protects the aluminum basket fingers & acts like a cushion for the aluminum plates, it was designed to run anyones aluminum plates. I have run my Barnett basket for 1 1/2 yrs now and its still in great shape. That is why Barnett's sells it as a kit.

DO NOT run steel plates with the Barnett basket, you will ruin it.

Now...hows the fork springs doing? Aloha Alex

[Shazaam]

The reason for the steel inserts is to prolong the life of the clutch basket which is somewhat expensive to replace. The clutch plates are a wear item, so the plan should be to let the plate fingers suffer the damage instead of the basket.

Hammering the fingers will deform them and as the gap between the fingers and the basket increases the clutch noise gets louder. Not a big deal for most of us. Steel plates are the noisiest.

So to answer your question, use the same material or a softer material for the clutch plates. Use aluminum plates with an expensive steel-insert aluminum basket, use either steel or aluminum plates with a steel basket, or aluminum plates with an aluminum basket (lightweight.)

Rule: Avoid using steel plates with an aluminum basket.

[krisnet55]

Originally Posted by 08hyper

Man your really starting to over think this stuff, your going to make yourself crazy!

If you have a all steel basket its best to run all steel plates for the longest clutch life, if its a aluminum basket use aluminum plates, that way the basket & plates can wear out together (somewhat)

The only downside to a all steel clutch basket is that its heavy, not only in weight but also slows motor revs.

The Barnett aluminum basket is the exception, it has stainless steel inserts (patented) that protects the aluminum basket fingers & acts like a cushion for the aluminum plates, it was designed to run anyones aluminum plates. I have run my Barnett basket for 1 1/2 yrs now and its still in great shape. That is why Barnett's sells it as a kit.

DO NOT run steel plates with the Barnett basket, you will ruin it.

Now...hows the fork springs doing? Aloha Alex

LOL man. Its that there is so much info and so many issues with the clutch that it drives me insane.


Now as far as the Barnett Basket I was thinking the same thing, that it was designed to somewhat tolerated aluminum plates just wasnt sure about it.


Thanks again

[krisnet55]

Originally Posted by Shazaam

The reason for the steel inserts is to prolong the life of the clutch basket which is somewhat expensive to replace. The clutch plates are a wear item, so the plan should be to let the plate fingers suffer the damage instead of the basket.

Hammering the fingers will deform them and as the gap between the fingers and the basket increases the clutch noise gets louder. Not a big deal for most of us. Steel plates are the noisiest.

So to answer your question, use the same material or a softer material for the clutch plates. Use aluminum plates with an expensive steel-insert aluminum basket, use either steel or aluminum plates with a steel basket, or aluminum plates with an aluminum basket (lightweight.)

Rule: Avoid using steel plates with an aluminum basket.

Thanks a lot for all the combos. I guess I should be good using the Barnett Basket with OEM plates.