Hyper air intake mods/filters etc - Ducati.ms

SweFin796 · Mar 27th, 2011, 3:21 pm

Been thinking about all airbox modding kits, filters etc and they all claim to be better than the other, but how can we tell?
Values like 1300% better than stock doesn't really give you an accurate number compared to competitors, since none of them provide you with actual airflow numbers.

It would be interesting to see all airbox mods/filters available in a chart that compares airflow.
It could be measured in CFM or similar.

Could this be measured easily DIY-style, if you can at all?

mangler7 · Mar 27th, 2011, 3:50 pm

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Ric · Mar 27th, 2011, 3:56 pm

What happens if i just cut a hole in the top of the airbox lid?All i have on my 1100S is an O2 manipulator.And i want to keep the exhaust stock and quiet.I think all i would be doing is giving it a bit more top end.

MWR · Mar 27th, 2011, 5:36 pm

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Originally Posted by SweFin796

Been thinking about all airbox modding kits, filters etc and they all claim to be better than the other, but how can we tell?
Values like 1300% better than stock doesn't really give you an accurate number compared to competitors, since none of them provide you with actual airflow numbers.

It would be interesting to see all airbox mods/filters available in a chart that compares airflow.
It could be measured in CFM or similar.

Could this be measured easily DIY-style, if you can at all?

Hi SweFin 796

I didn't say that our filter is 1300% better than stock , I did say that the inlet surface is 13x bigger than stock.
Every body can come with very intresting airflow numbers , means nothing to me .
It's the way you guide the air to the inlets
To give you a nice example , here below you see two prototype filters for a Brutale 1078.
They both tested in England by one of the most experienced MV tuners and you may guess witch filter was the best. Tomorrow I will place the Dyno results of these test .

Gr Wilco
MWR AIRFILTERS

Mr R · Mar 27th, 2011, 11:56 pm

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Originally Posted by SweFin796

Been thinking about all airbox modding kits, filters etc and they all claim to be better than the other, but how can we tell?
Values like 1300% better than stock doesn't really give you an accurate number compared to competitors, since none of them provide you with actual airflow numbers.

It would be interesting to see all airbox mods/filters available in a chart that compares airflow.
It could be measured in CFM or similar.

Could this be measured easily DIY-style, if you can at all?

wasp is getting ready dude

SweFin796 · Mar 28th, 2011, 1:44 am

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Originally Posted by MWR

Hi SweFin 796

I didn't say that our filter is 1300% better than stock , I did say that the inlet surface is 13x bigger than stock.
Every body can come with very intresting airflow numbers , means nothing to me .
It's the way you guide the air to the inlets
To give you a nice example , here below you see two prototype filters for a Brutale 1078.
They both tested in England by one of the most experienced MV tuners and you may guess witch filter was the best. Tomorrow I will place the Dyno results of these test .

Gr Wilco
MWR AIRFILTERS

Hi,

I just used it as an made up example, I didn't point finger at any brand

Thanks for replying though, you being here might benefit the "cause"

Common sense says the bigger the intake hole is the more air will flow (which is why I will mod my airbox with mwr when the time comes), but it's kinda hard to put a number on it.
And on top of that you have to factor in how dense filters are etc.
Putting the bike on the dyno after each mod just seems so... old?
I mean come on, we're at 2011 now and there still isn't a way to tell which air intake/filter combo is the best cause there are no real numbers for air flow etc

Trial and error is for millionaires with tons of gold to spend on dyno runs and tons of different brands of mods/filters

Surely it can't be too much to ask to get some numbers so that you can rest your mind knowing that the air intake mod you just bought is the best one your money can get?
Mind you it's not necessarily the most expensive one thats the best

MWR · Mar 28th, 2011, 4:09 pm

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Originally Posted by SweFin796

Hi,

I just used it as an made up example, I didn't point finger at any brand

Thanks for replying though, you being here might benefit the "cause"

Common sense says the bigger the intake hole is the more air will flow (which is why I will mod my airbox with mwr when the time comes), but it's kinda hard to put a number on it.
And on top of that you have to factor in how dense filters are etc.
Putting the bike on the dyno after each mod just seems so... old?
I mean come on, we're at 2011 now and there still isn't a way to tell which air intake/filter combo is the best cause there are no real numbers for air flow etc

Trial and error is for millionaires with tons of gold to spend on dyno runs and tons of different brands of mods/filters

Surely it can't be too much to ask to get some numbers so that you can rest your mind knowing that the air intake mod you just bought is the best one your money can get?
Mind you it's not necessarily the most expensive one thats the best

Hi SweFin 796

Yeah you are absolutely right , maybe this will help : Anyone using this air-filter??
Desmoworks and Motowheels arrange now a comparo between our big filterlid and pod filters , don't know why iy takes so long but I suppose it will happen very soon now. It is on a SC but it has the same airbox as the Hypo.
The only airflow test I have done was with the material itself when I started my company 2 years ago , I had to find the perfect combination between airflow and protection.Only I can't tell you these numbers because the competition is watching too.
But when the comparo is posted by Motowheels a lot of questions will be cleared

Gr Wilco
MWR AIRFILTERS

SweFin796 · Mar 28th, 2011, 4:19 pm

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Originally Posted by MWR

Hi SweFin 796

Yeah you are absolutely right , maybe this will help : Anyone using this air-filter??
Desmoworks and Motowheels arrange now a comparo between our big filterlid and pod filters , don't know why iy takes so long but I suppose it will happen very soon now. It is on a SC but it has the same airbox as the Hypo.
The only airflow test I have done was with the material itself when I started my company 2 years ago , I had to find the perfect combination between airflow and protection.Only I can't tell you these numbers because the competition is watching too.
But when the comparo is posted by Motowheels a lot of questions will be cleared

Gr Wilco
MWR AIRFILTERS

I understand, would be hard to compete if everyone shared their secrets

Thanks for the reply, looking forward to that comparison.

Btw since your somewhat of an expert, I heard somewhere that air should not get into an engine too easily, it needs a little "resistance" for some reason that I couldn't quite understand.
Is this true, and why is that?

MWR · Mar 28th, 2011, 6:04 pm

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Originally Posted by SweFin796

I understand, would be hard to compete if everyone shared their secrets

Thanks for the reply, looking forward to that comparison.

Btw since your somewhat of an expert, I heard somewhere that air should not get into an engine too easily, it needs a little "resistance" for some reason that I couldn't quite understand.
Is this true, and why is that?

Not at all , air must come in as easy as possible and more important as stable as possible.
In the room between airfilter and the intakes you may have not turbulance , the more stable incoming air you have the more power and revs you will get.
For a Hypo it is quite easy to get this done but for all racebikes with Ram-Air this a problem.
These bikes with Ram-Air increase power when the gain speed , they build up presure inside the airbox , I work a lot with teams from MotoGP , WSBK , WSS 600 and BSB . They test filters only on the track and read out the data-recording , the more airpresure they have the more power , so there is no issue at all about "resistance".

Gr Wilco
MWR AIRFILTERS

MWR · Mar 28th, 2011, 6:10 pm

Here is the back to back test with the two prototype filter for the MV.

I could have written also the stock filter our all other sportfilters because the stock foam filter is pretty good , no other filter gain power on these bikes , exept....

Gr Wilco
MWR AIRFILTERS