EVO SP forks on a non-EVO hyper

[CAlexio]

I wanted to put some EVO SP forks on the Hyper as I like the black scheme, and also the raised 2 in ride-height they provide. Has anyone tried doing this to a non-EVO hyper yet?

also, one issue with the hyper is putting weight on the front end in turns... does this extra ride-height on the front make it more difficult to load the front end? anyone with comparative experience feel free to chime in. thanks.

[freezer16801]

subscribed! I intially worried that the added length of the forks would screw with your geometry. But if you counter the lift with the forks with ride height in the rear, geometry should be similar to the stock scenario. I don't know if there are any other suspension related changes between the evo and evo sp besides ride height.

Personally, I bought a ride height adjuster for my standard hyper and raised the rear a huge amount when I fist installed it. I could barely reach the ground and I am 5'10". I wonder if doing this swap would make the thing be on stilts.

My suggestion would be to by the front end from an 09 S. They came with rebuildable KYB forks from what I remember. I guess this doesn't apply if ducshop added cart.s to your forks prior to you buying it. If that is the case, then I image you will be adding a lot more expense to yourself with the only thing to gain being black anodize.

[08hyper]

Raise the rear end to the EVO SP spec, then you'll have a balanced bike, with better ground clearance, if you don't raise the rear, the Hyper will turn like a pig.
I fornd that the Hyper is very sensitive to height changes, either by raising/lowering the forks, or adjusting the rear suspension rod, "S" Aloha Alex

[CAlexio]

Originally Posted by 08hyper

Raise the rear end to the EVO SP spec, then you'll have a balanced bike, with better ground clearance, if you don't raise the rear, the Hyper will turn like a pig.
I fornd that the Hyper is very sensitive to height changes, either by raising/lowering the forks, or adjusting the rear suspension rod, "S" Aloha Alex

you're saying to raise the rear IF you get the longer SP forks right? I just read an article that said that the rear is the standard ohlins shock from the "S"... which would mean that the EVO SP left as stock from the factory should in fact "turn like a pig"... need to get to the bottom of this little mistery.
the presenter in this video says the SP turns better... just don't understand how that can be with longer forks...maybe it was stickier tires on the test bike on the track?

You Tube

You Tube

any SP owners out there care to chime in?




moto just got some interesting marzocchi forks to sell... saw the thread today, but don't believe they are for the hyper.

[johnnie27]

Originally Posted by alexio

you're saying to raise the rear IF you get the longer SP forks right? I just read an article that said that the rear is the standard ohlins shock from the "S"... which would mean that the EVO SP left as stock from the factory should in fact "turn like a pig"... need to get to the bottom of this little mistery.
the presenter in this video says the SP turns better... just don't understand how that can be with longer forks...maybe it was stickier tires on the test bike on the track?

YouTube - Ducati Hypermotard 1100 Evo SP first ride

any SP owners out there care to chime in?




moto just got some interesting marzocchi forks to sell... saw the thread today, but don't believe they are for the hyper.

even thou the ohlins shock maybe a carry over the rear ride hight / spring weight etc could all be different...my SP turns in better than my SXV550 did outa the box (this could be due to the duc being less wheelie prone)..altough having said that i got hit by a car today!! i'm ok bike may go to heaven ( forks dented , engine case damaged and some other bits) so for what its worth, i come from MX background i love the SP fork?) it is alot taller than the reg EVO though when sitting on her..me 6ft 1 on the balls of my feet or one foot down..you can really get into the higher bars agressive like and throw her around. tiz nice fun..

[johnnie27]

Originally Posted by alexio

you're saying to raise the rear IF you get the longer SP forks right? I just read an article that said that the rear is the standard ohlins shock from the "S"... which would mean that the EVO SP left as stock from the factory should in fact "turn like a pig"... need to get to the bottom of this little mistery.
the presenter in this video says the SP turns better... just don't understand how that can be with longer forks...maybe it was stickier tires on the test bike on the track?

YouTube - Ducati Hypermotard 1100 Evo SP first ride

any SP owners out there care to chime in?




moto just got some interesting marzocchi forks to sell... saw the thread today, but don't believe they are for the hyper.

sorry i forgot to add yes the tyres would help (handling) but most of all the extra ground clearance you get get really down to the edge of the tire w/out scrapping the pegs, unlike the std bike (you can scrape those going to the milk bar)

[doon]

Originally Posted by johnnie27

sorry i forgot to add yes the tyres would help (handling) but most of all the extra ground clearance you get get really down to the edge of the tire w/out scrapping the pegs, unlike the std bike (you can scrape those going to the milk bar)

I have my sag set at 38 mm rear and ride to the edges of my tires and dont scrap the pegs
I have also changed out my rear spring, maybe some of you guys need a spring change and adjust your ride height.

Alexio, why would you buy another set of marshocking forksStop buying stickers and re cartridge the front end.
Its a no brainer

[Decreasing Dave]

I don't have an SP. I did however stay at a Holiday Inn Express not too long ago so I feel qualified to chime in. Why not, less qualified people chime in on this stuff all the time....

I believe the SP turns in easier as stated in pretty much all of the reviews. The reasons are actually relatively obvious if you just stop and think about it and only some of them will transfer to your Hyper just by swapping the forks.

First off, the SP is lighter than the the Gen 1 Hyper. Overall weight as well as what you have recently discovered (Alexio), flywheel weight. Once the snow stops flying sideways a su casa you will get to see how the lighter flywheel has allowed your Hyper to turn in easier as it has less gyroscopic effect.

Now take that "less weight" and mount it up higher from the ground and you have a higher center of gravity (Duh!!). What you get with that is an easier tip-in. What you lose is stability, unless you compensate by changing your geometry, i.e. longer forks, to help balance out the equation.

So, here's my take on the bottom line. Alexio has a lot of modifications on his Hyper but he's still pulling "Hyper" weight mas o menos. His flywheel has made the biggest advantage toward gaining on the SP specifcation-wise but he is still behind the eight ball a bit. I believe that bolting on SP forks will be a backward move and could, quite honestly, jack-up the whole geometry/handling aspect of a quite excellent bike in and of itself.

I say, leave it alone and go build yourself your Ducati Rat-Bike that you've been dreaming of.

Dave

[CAlexio]

Originally Posted by johnnie27

even thou the ohlins shock maybe a carry over the rear ride hight / spring weight etc could all be different...my SP turns in better than my SXV550 did outa the box (this could be due to the duc being less wheelie prone)..altough having said that i got hit by a car today!! i'm ok bike may go to heaven ( forks dented , engine case damaged and some other bits) so for what its worth, i come from MX background i love the SP fork?) it is alot taller than the reg EVO though when sitting on her..me 6ft 1 on the balls of my feet or one foot down..you can really get into the higher bars agressive like and throw her around. tiz nice fun..

you just want to see my Gen 2 Ducati 999 Shinya Kimura inspired 3D sketch bike don't you?... yea, figured.

[1198freak]

Originally Posted by Decreasing Dave

I don't have an SP. I did however stay at a Holiday Inn Express not too long ago so I feel qualified to chime in. Why not, less qualified people chime in on this stuff all the time....

I believe the SP turns in easier as stated in pretty much all of the reviews. The reasons are actually relatively obvious if you just stop and think about it and only some of them will transfer to your Hyper just by swapping the forks.

First off, the SP is lighter than the the Gen 1 Hyper. Overall weight as well as what you have recently discovered (Alexio), flywheel weight. Once the snow stops flying sideways a su casa you will get to see how the lighter flywheel has allowed your Hyper to turn in easier as it has less gyroscopic effect.

Now take that "less weight" and mount it up higher from the ground and you have a higher center of gravity (Duh!!). What you get with that is an easier tip-in. What you lose is stability, unless you compensate by changing your geometry, i.e. longer forks, to help balance out the equation.

So, here's my take on the bottom line. Alexio has a lot of modifications on his Hyper but he's still pulling "Hyper" weight mas o menos. His flywheel has made the biggest advantage toward gaining on the SP specifcation-wise but he is still behind the eight ball a bit. I believe that bolting on SP forks will be a backward move and could, quite honestly, jack-up the whole geometry/handling aspect of a quite excellent bike in and of itself.

I say, leave it alone and go build yourself your Ducati Rat-Bike that you've been dreaming of.

Dave

+1, sounds right to me. As long as you raise the rear, the geometry should remain relatively the same. Also the shock on the Evo SP has more travel as well, I think its 1.3 inches (I may be wrong) On a side note, I have a Evo SP, I did the doug polen school at the Streets of Willow on 11/22. I have always been a sportbike guy, and this is my first non sportbike. At first I wasn't used to a bike with so much suspension travel moving around on the track, so I took it easy. By the end of the day I was very comfortable on the bike and was flogging it around the track, I was passing guys on 848's and 1198's getting into the turns, (of course they passed me on the straights). The hyper is a great bike for the Streets of Willow by the way, I would rather ride it there than my 1198.