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Old Nov 10th, 2010, 4:11 pm   #1 (permalink)
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Ducati has pledged to improve its MotoGP machine after superstar signing Valentino Rossi was left just 15th fastest at the end of his Desmosedici debut at the Valencia MotoGP test.

Tenth out of the 17 riders after day one, the seven time MotoGP champion improved by only 0.121sec during his next 70 laps on Wednesday's second and final day.

Rossi's best time was 1.695sec slower than the rider he has replaced at Ducati, Casey Stoner, who was fastest for Honda.

Rossi even came within 0.032sec of being outpaced by MotoGP rookie Karel Abraham, also riding a Ducati.

With Rossi unable to discuss the test due to the terms of his early release from Yamaha, it was left to Ducati Corse general manager Filippo Preziosi to face the press.

The main decision to make is in terms of the 2011 engine - stick with the 'big bang' or switch back to the 'screamer'. Preziosi is leaning towards the more user-friendly 'big bang', which Rossi used throughout day two.

"After these two days of tests we will go back to Ducati for a meeting, where we will decide which path to take between the two engines, the 'big bang' and the 'screamer', although the information we have is pointing towards the former," said Preziosi.

"It will be a decision we will make by analysing the data in depth as well as planning the way forward around all the other things we learnt at the test."

Preziosi then admitted he'd have liked Rossi to have gone faster, and that work needs to be done on the front end of the bike.

Stoner and Hayden crashed out of eight races this season. All those falls are believed to have been triggered by front end problems.

"The objective is clearly to allow Valentino to ride like Valentino! We know we have to improve the bike in order to achieve this, especially the front end," he said.

"He has given us some very precise information and now it is down to us to use it.

"We would obviously have liked to give him the opportunity to go faster today, but even though that wasn't the case he has impressed everybody over the last two days with the way he works, his calm approach and his positive attitude towards everything.

"Nicky also worked very hard, as usual, and set a good lap time on the new Bridgestones as well as the ones we were already using, which is another big positive.

"Now we have to work to give them both a more competitive bike for the next test.

The fastest Ducati rider at the test was Hayden, who used both the 'big bang' and 'screamer' engine on day two, setting his best time with the 'big bang'.

Hayden lapped 1.178sec quicker than Rossi for sixth on the timesheets.

"Today was a positive day for us," said the American. "We tried the 'screamer' and it wasn't easy to switch between engines but it was important to do a proper test on them both and get the data we need to make an important decision. I am leaning towards sticking with the 'big bang' but we will make the decision together."

Of the other Desmosedici riders, new Pramac signing Randy de Puniet was an impressive eighth on his Ducati debut, with team-mate Loris Capirossi one place in front of Rossi on his return to a manufacturer he won seven races with from 2003-2007.

The new sixth Ducati, ridden by Valencia Moto2 winner Abraham, was 16th.

Rossi will now head for surgery on his trouble some shoulder, which he damaged in a motocross accident in April, before making his debut in full Ducati colours at Sepang next February.
SOURCE:Ducati 'must improve' for Rossi to be Rossi | Page 1 | MotoGP News | Nov 2010 | Crash.Net
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Old Nov 10th, 2010, 4:31 pm   #2 (permalink)
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i think it will be fine for Qatar in 2011.

He has never turned practice or testing into a race....Pre season times really dont mean much. He is within 2 seconds on a new bike/manufacturer using he big bang while Hayden is within .5 using the screamer for most of testing....so Burgess and crew have a very good baseline to work with. I am sure they will have a very strong package for the 2011 tests.

Rossi will now have surgery and rest up for a very important season.
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Didn't Stoner just finish a race at that same track in 2nd place on the bike the Great One was struggling on? Hmmmmmm..........

To paraphrase Mick Doohan. "Any laps you do at less than 100% are a waste of time." Cruising around in 15th place almost 2 seconds off the pace wont give much useable data for setting up the bike at race pace. Haydens data will be more pertinent than anything Rossi took from the test.
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Superbike Planet stated the BBC carried the tesing live due to all the hype of Stoner and Rossi changing brands.....that's cool! But only 17 bikes on the grid sucks! And there's rumor that a few more teams might lose sponsorship and a few more new teams might emerge.....if this were WSBK or AMA imagine the criticism.
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Old Nov 10th, 2010, 6:36 pm   #5 (permalink)
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Didn't Stoner just finish a race at that same track in 2nd place on the bike the Great One was struggling on? Hmmmmmm..........

To paraphrase Mick Doohan. "Any laps you do at less than 100% are a waste of time." Cruising around in 15th place almost 2 seconds off the pace wont give much useable data for setting up the bike at race pace. Haydens data will be more pertinent than anything Rossi took from the test.
I am sure there will be a few changes so running race pace is not the main goal at this point.

Plus will the Valencia race weekend and then jumping into 2 days of testing completely different bikes on a busted up shoulder....I think Rossi did exactly what he needed to do.

Do runners do race pace every time they take the track, no they have practice routines to work on different areas of their race. I think this has always been Rossi's approach....and with his accolades, I can't really tell him to change what he does.

Maybe he was just throwing Capirossi a bone....you know a little pick me up in beating an alien!!
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Didn't Stoner just finish a race at that same track in 2nd place on the bike the Great One was struggling on? Hmmmmmm..........

To paraphrase Mick Doohan. "Any laps you do at less than 100% are a waste of time." Cruising around in 15th place almost 2 seconds off the pace wont give much useable data for setting up the bike at race pace. Haydens data will be more pertinent than anything Rossi took from the test.
+1

I am glad Casey gave Rossi a bike to ride that was capable of winning and achieving podium places.

One of the things that worries me about Rossi's shift to Ducati is that if he does well it is Rossi, if he does badly it will be the bike at fault and Ducati as a company will suffer.

I was interested to read that now Ducati apparently are going to "fix" the bike. Why could they have not done that before? and I don't believe Casey wasn't telling them what was wrong, but they really only started to perhaps listen towards the latter part of this year.

I really think that Livio Suppo leaving Ducati for Honda cost the team as a whole dearly.

I was happy to see Casey achieving fastest time on the second day. I will miss him on a Ducati and hope that perhaps Nicky can do something good.
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does some one here now the different of the 2 engines ? thanks
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does some one here now the different of the 2 engines ? thanks
"Big Bang" uses a more conventional firing order which offers smoother power delivery while "The Screamer" is more powerful but nowhere near as smooth which was used in '09 and Stoner was the only rider who could tame it(watch Philip Island '09 to get an idea of how peaky it is with the way Stoner rode)
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I am sure there will be a few changes so running race pace is not the main goal at this point.

Plus will the Valencia race weekend and then jumping into 2 days of testing completely different bikes on a busted up shoulder....I think Rossi did exactly what he needed to do.

Do runners do race pace every time they take the track, no they have practice routines to work on different areas of their race. I think this has always been Rossi's approach....and with his accolades, I can't really tell him to change what he does.

Maybe he was just throwing Capirossi a bone....you know a little pick me up in beating an alien!!
You can't compare motorcycle racing practice/testing with running. They are totally different. I agree with 'Crashman', in the fact that you have very little to gain by not simulating race speeds during testing. Its quite pointless.
Rossi has never been one to take it this easy at the Valencia tests. Last year he was pushing from day 1. Sure VR is not 100% fit this year but he has still been going pretty damn fast on his Yamaha of late with that injury. I do however suspect it has played a part with the effort he's put into riding the Duc for the first time during this testing period due to fear of low siding when he pushes that bike.
The last thing Rossi would want to do is go down on that shoulder from a crash, and this will be due to the fact that he's probably just discovered that Stoner was correct in stating that the Duc is very unstable when pushed.
All in all Rossi hasn't been going fast because that bike has a problem with the front end. Which confirms everything Stoner has been complaining about all year. Ducati haven't been able able to fix it for him but with Burgess now on board they'll have the best chance they've ever had of getting it sorted.
Hopefully we will see a different Rossi and Ducati combo next year. It would be horrible if Rossi's first year on the Duc was in any was similar to Hayden's first year.
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Didn't Stoner just finish a race at that same track in 2nd place on the bike the Great One was struggling on? Hmmmmmm..........

To paraphrase Mick Doohan. "Any laps you do at less than 100% are a waste of time." Cruising around in 15th place almost 2 seconds off the pace wont give much useable data for setting up the bike at race pace. Haydens data will be more pertinent than anything Rossi took from the test.
Very good point. I am very surprised Rossi is so far down the order, but I have long suspected that he has ways of 'sandbagging' while still gathering the relevant data. How many times have we seen him 'struggle' in practice/qualifying and somehow emerge at the pointy end of the field on race day? I don't know if he just backs off a little on the straights, or perhaps a few corners that he doesn't need to work on the set up.

Just like 2004, one thing he definitely doesn't want to do is show his cards before it's time. It's definitely possible, perhaps even probable, that he is off the pace and Ducati needs to make some significant (presumably front end among other things) changes to let "Rossi be Rossi." But, even if he were on the pace, I guarantee he wouldn't want to top the timing charts. Why give the other teams any extra motivation to do more R&D over the winter? Imagine the furor of activity in the Honda/Yamaha race shops if Vale blitzed everyone by a second. Of course I don't imagine that's even a possibility but, just as in the winter of 2003, he wants the Honda (and now Yamaha) engineers to sit around laughing and drinking sake rather than burning the midnight oil staring at CAD/CAM programs.

If Ducati can 'fix' the bike to 'Rossi spec' (Burgess's input increases that probability immensely), Rossi can get healthy, and he catches a few breaks, then he'll be among the leaders. Even with all of that, I'd still put my money on Lorenzo next year. His riding style, the 800's, the tires, and the current incarnation of the M1 all complement each other extremely well. 2012 will tend to favor Stoner, Spies, Rossi, and Hayden (he won't win the championship, but he could be a consistent podium threat). Hopefully Rossi and Burgess will steer the 1000cc development in the proper direction. If so, the new Duc may become the belle of the ball.
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