Go away Rossi.........> - Ducati.ms

DonaldDuc996 · Oct 16th, 2011, 10:30 am

After reading some articles in this months Road-Racing World I'm under the impression that Rossi is not good for Ducati. Stoner seemingly had no real issues with the Desmo and along comes Rossi and Ducati is left scratching there heads. He's complaining no front end feel , there changing frame after frame, researching this and that all to no avail. Ducati has been doing this alot longer then Rossi why all of a sudden to they think its there R&D thats the problem ? Maybe its Rossi thats the problem , or even Burgess , or both ? I think its a shame Ducati's putting all there hopes in this Rossi marriage. I say dump Rossi and Hayden and find a rider that can ride the Desmo in its present state....Stoner could, whats wrong Val ?

Rossi is making Ducati look incompetent.

freighttriain · Oct 16th, 2011, 11:27 am

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Originally Posted by DonaldDuc996

Stoner seemingly had no real issues with the Desmo and along comes Rossi and Ducati is left scratching there heads.

You're kidding... right?

He's complaining no front end feel , there changing frame after frame, researching this and that all to no avail.

Stoner used to say all of the same shit about the Ducati... Ducati only made minimal changes, but not what Stoner was asking for... and as far as research?... Ducati has researched what they think is the problem, not to what Rossi and Burgess thought.... day one last november... Burgess said ditch the frame, not change materials of the existing design ...like Ducati did up until September this year... Burgess and Rossi said frame it up like the M-1... Ducati still hasn't listened...

Maybe its Rossi thats the problem , or even Burgess , or both ? I think its a shame Ducati's putting all there hopes in this Rossi marriage. I say dump Rossi and Hayden and find a rider that can ride the Desmo in its present state....Stoner could, whats wrong Val ?

Stoner only managed to win on that POS by over-riding the hell out of it and risking it all... and that is why he crashed so often as well... there is not another rider on the grid that will make that bike work. The only solution is for Ducati to make huge changes to the bike. But if Ducati didn't listen to Stoner for 3 years... and Ducati does not listen to Burgess ... Ducati are the one's that have put themselves where they are now...

Rossi is making Ducati look incompetent.

Ducati made themselves look incompetent by having a guy like Stoner and not listening to him for 3 years... not trying to make the bike better for him... and then Ducati let Stoner leave. Suppo knew the Ducati was a POS... and Suppo knew what would happen if Stoner got his ass on a competent bike.. like the Honda... Suppo was right... and Honda will finally win the 800 title before the switch to the bigger motors.... Suppo's master plan.. and Ducati's greatest disaster...

Ducati can blame Rossi and Burgess all that they want... Ducati should have listened to Stoner, and built the bike around him and kept him. Ducati thought that it wasn't the bike, it was the rider at fault... hmmm .... look at this season... who was right?.. i think Stoner has proved his point... and Ducati is the laughing stock of the series now...

People on this forum used to blame Stoner for not winning on the Ducati... not being a good development rider... As far as last year, Stoner was the problem... not Ducati... well, up until Stoner got to ride the Honda for the first time and was instantly the fastest guy on the track... and had a smile from ear to ear...
This year it's Rossi and Burgees who suck?... really?...
Sorry... it's about time Ducati gets blamed in my book... to each their own.. but i see it as Ducati has had their head up their own ass since the end of the '07 season... time to pull it out i say...

Matt_P · Oct 16th, 2011, 12:17 pm

Ducati is obviously the problem.

The motogp fiasco, combined with their WSBK withdrawl, combined with their reluctance to re-sign Checa (who practically bleeds Ducati) has led me to come to the conclusion that they are a shit company with a shit corporate culture, run by a bunch of assholes (The Bonomis).

It wasn't too long ago that they piped the f@ck up outta nowhere and sent me an email trying to get me to buy a Checa t-shirt (where were they all season long, and where the f@ck are they now?)...

Not much of a fan anymore. They've become too big too fast IMO. I liked Ducati better in the 916 days.

Rossi should up and leave while he still has a couple years left in him.

Dmitry · Oct 16th, 2011, 12:52 pm

I agree with Matt, some bad internal politics, sort of reminds me of Ferrari when they forced Schumacher out to sign Raikkonen only because he was younger.

Ducati success has gone to their heads and they are now "too cool for school", following the Harley trend they are selling a lifestyle, which was clearly apparent at the bike show this winter where they had models strutting their latest clothing fashions on stage with bikes including the Diavel stashed in the corners, also serving espresso and chocolates to further the Starbucks stereotype.

Adrian749S · Oct 16th, 2011, 5:16 pm

Stoner made incompetent ducati look competent.

whippersnapper · Oct 16th, 2011, 7:24 pm

Donald go troll somewhere else

DonaldDuc996 · Oct 16th, 2011, 7:51 pm

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Donald go troll somewhere else

TROLLS OF A FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER.

Why am I the troll , because I blame Ducati for putting all there hope in Rossi , or because I don't see Rossi as a god like the rest of the moto world ? I think Ducati wanting Rossi so bad over the years was no more than a huge PR move...just like Hayden for the U.S. market. All that is fine and well for t-shirt sales but why change your whole engineering ways in R&D just to please Valentino Rossi........DEAL WITH IT I say,........Stoner had his issues but he still poled, won , and put it on the podium. I'm aware changes are made to suit the riders riding style but Ducati is bending over backwards ,wwwaaaaayyyy backwards for Rossi. After all it wasn't Rossi who build Ducati but he sure is redefining them.

I know the truth is hard to face people but 2011 speaks for itself. All you have to do is listen to what Rossi himself says and has been saying.

Tomwalsh · Oct 16th, 2011, 8:01 pm

I'm a huge fan of Ducati, but agree with some of the points here about their growing obsession with image and the ballooning of their model line with bikes like the Diavel and their growing obsession with selling an image instead of race worthy machinery. At the same time i think they deserve some credit for trying to push the envelope design wise with innovations like the new superbike frame. They would risk short term success on the race track in an attempt to reach the next level of performance. Instead of moving up incrementally, they risk it all on huge leaps in design. I think that's a big part of the romance around Ducati.

748girl · Oct 16th, 2011, 8:03 pm

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Originally Posted by DonaldDuc996

After reading some articles in this months Road-Racing World I'm under the impression that Rossi is not good for Ducati. Stoner seemingly had no real issues with the Desmo and along comes Rossi and Ducati is left scratching there heads. He's complaining no front end feel , there changing frame after frame, researching this and that all to no avail. Ducati has been doing this alot longer then Rossi why all of a sudden to they think its there R&D thats the problem ? Maybe its Rossi thats the problem , or even Burgess , or both ? I think its a shame Ducati's putting all there hopes in this Rossi marriage. I say dump Rossi and Hayden and find a rider that can ride the Desmo in its present state....Stoner could, whats wrong Val ?

Rossi is making Ducati look incompetent.

I agree. As soon as the rumours of Rossi going to Ducati were confimed, we were dismayed. If Rossi did well on the bike, as was hoped, it was going to be Rossi' genius. If Rossi did badly, as has happened, it was going to be the bike. At Ducati's WPM last year, all the DOC President's said they didn't want Rossi for that reason. Rossi could break Ducati. They should have listened to Stoner and given him what he wanted. I am thrilled that Stoner has been vindicated, but it is bitter sweet, as a) he isn't riding a Ducati and b) the rubbish that is going on is hurting the marque I love. Ducati are spending millions, laying off staff - its not good!!! It seems Casey could ride and win on the Ducati when the front end didn't let him down, so his talent is good enough to ride around the problems. Whilst Rossi has to have a whole new bike built to suit him, because he can't?

Bayliss apparently is in Australia but didn't come to Motogp. Maybe it was due to the fact that Ducati are trying to get Bayliss to promote the new Superbike and they don't want the contagion from the bad Motogp performance to rub off by Bayliss being present and connected with Motogp??

That is just a guess, Bayliss is certainly busy with the Experience thing and his Experience Bike was in the Ducati marquee, but it certainly would be smart marketing to keep the separation.

Whilst we got a visit from Nicky in the tent. Rossi couldn't be bothered coming over and No, I don't care if he was busy - there were people present who were gutted by the no-show on his part (I was not one of them

). The last rider that didn't front was Gibernau (and Capirossi didn't come that year either) in 2006 and we got Livio Suppo instead apologising for Ducati's performance and asking who they should get for Motogp for 2007. We all said "Casey". They listened. Shame Guareschi (sp) couldn't be bothered to come over and ask the question again.

**Chuckracer** · Oct 16th, 2011, 8:04 pm

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Originally Posted by DonaldDuc996

After all it wasn't Rossi who build Ducati but he sure is redefining them.

No kidding...Here's Rossi, indisputably one of the Greatest Of All Time, brought to his knees by Ducati and turned back into a mere mortal.

Yep, that's Rossi's fault. Ducati should fire him, AND that "Tuner To The Gods" he brought with him. Imposters, the both of them.