*OFFICIAL* MotoGP Sachsenring 2011 *Spoilers*

[Chuckracer]

I've got a hell of a sense of humor. You're still here, aren't ya?

[Tard]

Originally Posted by Chuckracer

I've got a hell of a sense of humor. You're still here, aren't ya?

That's better.

[freighttriain]

kinda funny when ya take a look at the standings from half way through '10... and compare them to the same point of half way through this season...

after 9 races... '10


after 9 races.. '11


for as crappy as Rossi has been doing... even getting beat by a Suzuki... he is still doing as well as Stoner was doing at the same time last season.... i wouldn't have guessed that one...

[DucmanST3]

Originally Posted by Darbone

And WTF is up with SPEED showing us the start 5 times at a period in the race where there are battles going on for the lead and other positions ?

that's the world feed silly, the dumb thing Speed did was list the 125's and show the big boys instead so I have to wait for a while until they run it again

[DucmanST3]

Originally Posted by freighttriain

for as crappy as Rossi has been doing... even getting beat by a Suzuki... he is still doing as well as Stoner was doing at the same time last season.... i wouldn't have guessed that one...

statistics can prove anything is all it proves

[davy.j]

Originally Posted by freighttriain

kinda funny when ya take a look at the standings from half way through '10... and compare them to the same point of half way through this season...
for as crappy as Rossi has been doing... even getting beat by a Suzuki... he is still doing as well as Stoner was doing at the same time last season.... i wouldn't have guessed that one...

And what if Ducati had built Stoner a brand new bike & thrown shit bucket loads of money at it?
Reckon the result would have still been the same...?
All Stoner ever asked them for was to stop the front end going the opposite way to the corner, he handled the rest himself.
They couldn't even get that bit right.
.

[tye1138]

Originally Posted by davy-j

And what if Ducati had built Stoner a brand new bike & thrown shit bucket loads of money at it?

Umm, they did throw shit-loads of money into it. We all have very short memories, but in 2007 the bike was a steel frame machine with an aluminum swing arm. In 2008 it went to all carbon fiber because casey was complaining about the chassis over-flexing and he is right, it was a big problem. That is a HUGE cost to develop and it was a major paradigm shift in the paddock.

Originally Posted by davy-j

All Stoner ever asked them for was to stop the front end going the opposite way to the corner, he handled the rest himself.
They couldn't even get that bit right.

Thats because what is needed is impossible to do without compromising the structure of the carbon fiber too much. You can weave carbon fiber a million different ways and generate different structures, but at a certain point, you will reach the threshold of stiffness to reliability and I'm pretty sure they are at this point with Vally.

Now, the 1000's will be ridden differently, you won't need to maintain such a rigorous amount of corner speed and knowing Ducati, the 1000cc motor is gonna be a killer. So my guess is in 2012, the whole hub-bub about the chassis will be no longer and we'll see Rossi and Hayden more confident and comfortable then ever, riding bikes to podiums instead of being scared of hitting a corner too hard and loosing the front.

With that being said, guys like Stoner will really benefit from the 1000's as well, but can Honda build a better 1000cc motor then Ducati in its first try? Hmm... the chess pieces are laid out, I'm very anxious to see how its going to roll!

[Matt_P]

^read this:

And this is where the big worry is. At the test on the Monday after Mugello, Casey Stoner ran a lap of 1'47.326. Hayden confessed earlier during the week that the Ducatis weren't doing 1'47.3s when they tested the 1000 at Mugello, and given the fact that Ducati believe that a 1000cc bike will be half a second quicker round the Italian circuit than an 800, Honda's dominance looks to be guaranteed into 2012. Paddock rumor - times from the 1000cc test are jealously guarded, though everyone seems to know them - suggests that Casey Stoner was two seconds quicker on the 1000 than he was during the race weekend earlier in the year. Though conditions were markedly better during the 1000cc test, that probably only accounts for half of that improvement, suggesting the RC213V - that's twenty-one three, not two thirteen, according to Honda's MotoGP head Shuhei Nakamoto - is a genuine rocketship.

The rest of it is good too:
2011 Sachsenring MotoGP Sunday Roundup - Great Racing, And Ducati's Future Direction | MotoMatters.com | Kropotkin Thinks

[rcrob]

Originally Posted by tye1138

Thats because what is needed is impossible to do without compromising the structure of the carbon fiber too much. You can weave carbon fiber a million different ways and generate different structures, but at a certain point, you will reach the threshold of stiffness to reliability and I'm pretty sure they are at this point with Vally.

All right Tye, I will call you on this statement. Explain yourself in detail exactly what you mean because frankly you are WAY off. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt and either let you clarify or back pedal, which ever route you think might be best for you, and then I will give you the reasons why you are wrong.

[Ryan...]

Just watched the race now, and it certainly delivered!

I wish there was a way to go back and watch more of the Ducati vs Suzuki battle :/