what happen to Moto Czysz? - Ducati.ms

**the-duc-master** · Jun 9th, 2011, 5:20 pm

hi what happen to Moto Czysz the were building a moto gp bike the moto gp went to the 800cc and he could no race is he racing now when moto gp goes back to 1000cc ?

ducat · Jun 9th, 2011, 6:22 pm

He's playing with e-bikes

**Chuckracer** · Jun 9th, 2011, 6:28 pm

Moto Czysz nearly laps the IOMTT at 100mph.....

ZDM · Jun 9th, 2011, 6:34 pm

Yeah an E-Bike that goes 150mph down the Sulby straight!!!! Discovery HDTV did an excellent special program on his Moto Czysz GP bike but it seem to never come to fruition.....that said his forks were a hot topic and Honda had pursued him for the patent rights or something like that.....I guess he's "our Britten" genius....his website remians mostly static..SOS....interesting fellow....

rcrob · Jun 9th, 2011, 8:50 pm

He's a vaporware salesman, nothing more.

Drat · Jun 10th, 2011, 2:28 am

Rob the more I read your posts the more I like you. Czysz is local here to Me.

I know him, we have many similar close friends, but being as I am not a rich, I am tattooist, and from the other side of the tracks, being on my own since I was 15, no Money, no family, he hasn't given me the time of day but a handful of times In over 10 years......But from what I can tell he is an ok dude, just maybe a little in his own world, he is wealthy, and my impression is that he is not concerned with those outside his tax bracket.

He is the guy that shows up to a track day in his ford GT 40, while his minions drive his color coordinated semi/toy hauler/rv with his D16, KTM RC8, or countless other exotics and his own C1 moto gp wanna be GP bike to turn some laps.

We were both instructors for a local tack day provider together for 5 or 6 years. Friends of mine and acquaintances have past and currently work for
him. In fact, the bike he first tried his Forks on was a standard 999 that I owned briefly.

Long story short.. I guess that bike handled great, but popped more motors than Courtney love popped pills. So that is why it's an E bike and not a moto gp bike.....

Of course this is my opinion and therefore I shouldn't be liable. But I wouldn't be surprised if black helicopters take me away tomorrow for voicing my opinion about micheal czsyz.

rcrob · Jun 10th, 2011, 9:39 am

I have met and talked with Micheal on a few occasions and was initially excited by his project "to build an American GP Bike". I was there when it first was shown as a proof of concept bike at Laguna and then again as the final prototype version when it was introduced at the Portola Plaza the following year. I remember all the promises and those promises slowly being downgraded. I also remember the budget, it was huge. If I recall correctly he got something close to 30 Million in start up capital to build the bike which is a ton of money, a far cry from what Britten started with and the C1 never turned a wheel in anger. Every time I ran into Micheal he was going somewhere to meet with someone new to try and get more funding to keep the project alive. The last time I saw him was at the Indy mile during the inaugural Motogp round and I think he was headed off to Asia to chase money there. The fact is his bike was flawed because it was inherently too mechanically complicated which caused more problems than it solved. His engine was unreliable, his forks/chassis suffered from chatter problems and it was a long way from ever being a competitive bike, but it was pretty.

So Micheal turned his attention to electric bikes (I don't know if he has completely abandoned the C1 project or not). Here he isn't racing the likes of Honda, Yamaha and Ducati, just other small teams where he is really well funded so he can produce a really good bike and be a stand out in a field of eight bikes (two of which are his). That is good, he is positioning himself in an emerging market of green motorcycles and can become a manufacturer if he wants (I suspect that is his end goal). I applaud him for that, but I would be very hesitant to invest my money based on what I saw with the C1 project.

Drat · Jun 10th, 2011, 11:38 am

Yeah, i think i was sitting with him and micheal jordon at laguna when he was trying to schmooze him for money in the beginning...

I would never ever put him with Britten.....

Never heard about the chatter problems, but it doesn't surprise me. His motor was rumored to never make more than a stock gsxr, (2005 vintage) and he would oil our local track everytime he took it out.....much to most racers dismay...... To the point that when he started his e bike the joke was, "great there is gonna be battery acid on the track instead of oil." or "I am sure he will stll find a way to oil the track."

I wouldn't be surprised if some of that funding made it To his porsche, his gT 40, his Desmo, his hauler, etc......

Maybe I should start and fail a bike company?

rcrob · Jun 10th, 2011, 12:59 pm

I wouldn't put him anywhere near Britten either.

I actually think Ilmor have more credibility because they actually made the grid. MotoCzysz was a high dollar project and he hired a lot of technical experts to see it come to fruition. He didn't "build" a bike in the sense that Britten did, he bought a bike built by a lot of experts in their particular field. He had ex-Roberts engineers doing the engine, a composites specialist doing all the carbon fiber work and a bunch of engineers working on other areas of the bike. It was a start up, like any other, that failed.

lehmanb · Jun 10th, 2011, 9:05 pm

This sucks to hear. I remember getting all excited about an american made bike going to GP. The ideas he had for the bike made a lot of sense to my non engineer mind. I really liked the forks. That was the best part of the bike in my opinion.

Not sure how his engine never made any more power than a GSXR. It "looked" like a good idea.