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Why is no one mad at the auto/moto manufacturers for not preparing for this? I blame ducati for not thinking of this. Ethanol in our fuel is not new. Why so much blame on the fuel. I don't care what I put in the tank, as long as it works without any side effects. Believe me, I'm not a supporter of the oil companies, or the corn lobby. F all of them. But this is a reality that needs to be dealt with.

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And if you say I'm against saving the planet, bite me. It's arrogant to think we can save or destroy it by turning corn into crappy fuel.
We will need to create fuel out of a renewable resource very soon. Soon enough the oil left will become too expensive even to put in our precious ducati's. Embracing change to "save the planet" is never arrogant, it's intelligent.

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What a scam. And if you say I'm against saving the planet, bite me. It's arrogant to think we can save or destroy it by turning corn into crappy fuel.
You are so right… turning corn into fuel is stupid and has huge negative effects on supplying basic food for people in second and third world countries!

It is way better to stop energy waste… but lobbyism is hard to fight

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Growing corn to feed our machines is obscene.

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and who produced that reassuring video - The American Coalition for Ethanol - the grassroots voice of the U.S. ethanol industry, the nation's largest association dedicated to the production and use of ethanol !
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I guess us europeans can now start to wipe the smug grins from our collective faces.
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What we need to do is to start coating our tanks with Caswell, which is a pain in the arse.
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Why is Caswell such a pain? Sure, you might need some experience to optimize the process (i.e. not waste too much time and material) But I guess from reading the instructions that it is not an impossible task. I read several how-tos on different forums about tank coating. Old metal tanks (and aluminium as well) are also not that happy to get in contact with modern fuels ... and the "historical vehicle" crowd has some experience in all this!
Concerning Caswell, is anyone aware of a comparable commercial product over here in Europe? I found the homepage of the European distributor, but 45 quid is a shameless price (compared to 39.99 bucks)
From what I have read so far, Caswell should be based on epoxy "C", with probably some addition of a thixotropic fluid for thickening. I find it difficult to believe that there is not a comparable product in Europe.

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Its a pain in the arse, because the tank has to be stripped right out, all holes sealed, swilled out with thinners, which will attack the paintwork; then left for some weeks to dry out and then treated with Caswell, all because Ducati couldn't be bothered to come up with a tank that was suitable for modern use.
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We will need to create fuel out of a renewable resource very soon. Soon enough the oil left will become too expensive even to put in our precious ducati's. Embracing change to "save the planet" is never arrogant, it's intelligent.
Ethanol is only a stop-gap measure; corn could never completely replace oil. Even if the current goals for ethanol content in gasoline are met it would mean 100% of all corn production would be dedicated to ethanol creation, with none left for food, and we would still be relying on oil for most of our gasoline.

IMO, electric vehicles make the most sense, since they produce zero emissions, and they remove the need for a new infrastructure (electricity is already being delivered to our homes). If a new, more environmentally friendly method for producing electricity is discovered, no problem - a new plant can be hooked up to the grid.

I'm not saying I want an electric bike, but if most 'practical' transportation was electric, it would save the fossil fuel for enthusiast vehicles. Pollution would be significantly reduced, and the planet's remaining oil would last a lot longer.

...back on topic: ethanol sucks

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I think it's ironic that at in the midwestern US where I live and much of the corn is grown, I can still buy ethonal free gas. Most stations here carry three grades, with one grade being E10. E10 also has 10 cents less per gallon tax than the other two straight gas grades to encourage people to buy it.
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