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03 999S, Exhaust jungle!

Hi guys! This is a new to me 999s from 2003. I'm spending the winter stripping it and making it as pristine as possible.

It's an EU Spec with "deep sump" engine and the old swingarm.

I'm looking to buy a used Termignoni system or slip-on for it. It seems to be a jungle finding out what fits.. So if anyone would have the patience to explain this complexity to me, i'd be extremely grateful



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You have a rare situation nowadays .You need exhaust specific for a deep sump and the original style swing arm . Made as a slip on with the front pipe and muffler , or a full 54 mm or a very rare 57 mm . The full systems also have the option of a titainium muffler . Full systems can be identified with the pipes being round by the swing arm rather than the flattened ( banana ) style . There is a chance the 54 mm from a newer style can fit , and also a 749 ( shallow sump) but the newer will shurly sit out a ways from the swing arm

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You have a rare situation nowadays .You need exhaust specific for a deep sump and the original style swing arm . Made as a slip on with the front pipe and muffler , or a full 54 mm or a very rare 57 mm . The full systems also have the option of a titainium muffler . Full systems can be identified with the pipes being round by the swing arm rather than the flattened ( banana ) style . There is a chance the 54 mm from a newer style can fit , and also a 749 ( shallow sump) but the newer will shurly sit out a ways from the swing arm
These are just the EU spec 999s, which has this configuration (first type swingarm + deepsump). So Essentially "all" systems and variations of slip-on should fit?

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All 999s bikes are deep sump ,( no such thing as euro spec ) 03-04 had the grey swing arm , 03 R is same . I would think your going to have a far better chance of a newer system fitting old than the other way around . Slip on is likely the easiest to source , and it does cure the heat generated by deleting the cats . The older style full systems defiantly look better imo .

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Alight, thanks for your reply! What's the major difference sound and performance wise between a 54mm system and a slip-on?
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generally the full system should make 7 - 10 hp more at the top end. the zard systems work quite well from memory, but i don't know if they still exist or not.

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Thanks! Anyone knows numbers the slip-on will provide?

Sound wise, are they exactly the same?
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Need Jussi to weigh in here as he knows these well. As he helped me understand, there wasn't a slip-on version offered by Termi. These essentially came in a 54 mm asymmetrical system and a 57 mm full system. The 54 mm system replaced the pipe to the horizontal cylinder with a larger 54 mm pipe (no cat) while keeping the smaller stock pipe to the vertical cylinder. I've seen where people have called the 54 mm system a slip-on (or a half system), but the 54 mm option does indeed replace the pipe to the horizontal cylinder. The 57 mm system replaced both pipes with larger 57 mm pipes. These systems came in various versions for grey swingarm vs. black swingarm, deep sump vs. not, stainless can vs. titanium can, etc. For the 57 mm system there were two different styles of pipes, one that had a round section near the right rearset and another that had a flattened section (nicknamed a "banana" system)...the latter to help with clearance between the swingarm and the fairing.

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Need Jussi to weigh in here as he knows these well. As he helped me understand, there wasn't a slip-on version offered by Termi. These essentially came in a 54 mm asymmetrical system and a 57 mm full system. The 54 mm system replaced the pipe to the horizontal cylinder with a larger 54 mm pipe (no cat) while keeping the smaller stock pipe to the vertical cylinder. I've seen where people have called the 54 mm system a slip-on (or a half system), but the 54 mm option does indeed replace the pipe to the horizontal cylinder. The 57 mm system replaced both pipes with larger 57 mm pipes. These systems came in various versions for grey swingarm vs. black swingarm, deep sump vs. not, stainless can vs. titanium can, etc. For the 57 mm system there were two different styles of pipes, one that had a round section near the right rearset and another that had a flattened section (nicknamed a "banana" system)...the latter to help with clearance between the swingarm and the fairing.
The asymmetrical system is what is generally called the slip-on, it does come with a replacement pipe for the front cylinder since the OEM pipe houses a cat.
The asymmetrical Termignoni can has two pipes of different diameter and length sticking out of it.
The mm of asymmetric system is irrelevant since there are no variations in diameter available. The vertical pipe differs from horizontal one in diameter and length.
The asymmetric system comes in variation Deep / shallow sump, and grey/black swingarm

The symmetrical system comes in 2 different pipe diameters, 54 and 57mm, generally speaking the 54 was more intended for 749, however I have read of people using it on 999 without loss of power.
Canisters for both are dimension wise identical but available in SS or Ti.
The canisters have two identical holes in them (no pipes sticking out of them.)
Here the variations are again Deep/shallow sump , black/grey swingarm.
The banana stye pipe is only for deep sump / black swingarm
round pipes can be deep sump / black swing arm ( R versions ) or Deep sump/grey swing arm ( R and S versions )
or Shallow sump,grey swingarm (base version)

So basically when buying full / symmetrical system it is of utmost importance to know what kind of swing arm and sump it was made for.
Otherwise it just won't fit.
When buying a asymmetrical system, it is of lesser importance since you could have your cat removed out of the OEM pipe.

Both came with the DP filters and a DP ECU.
Running the systems without the DP ECU or custom mapping results in too lean mixture and potential engine damage.

Why so serious?
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That was a VERY nice post, thank you! Are you able to use a 54mm designed for the 05-06 swingarm on a 03 999s (old swingarm & deepsump) ?
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