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Exclamation Ducati to Replace Panigale with V4 Superbike

CEO Claudio Domenicali just confirmed Ducati will build a V4 Superbike for the consumer market, according to Motorcycle News. This bike will replace the Panigale first on the street, then on the track in leagues like World Superbike.

Speaking to reporters after the livestream reveal of it's new MotoGP bikes, Domenicali said Ducati will continue to race the Panigale in WSB this year and in 2018, according to Motomatters.com editor David Emmett.

``So chances are we will see a new Ducati V4 Superbike in 2018, race it in 2019 or 2020,'' Emmett said on Twitter. He added, ``Domenicali said it would be at a normal, premium-Superbike price. My guess is tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands.''

This is exciting for so many reasons!

1. The Panigale will now be an end-of-an-era bike, as the last V-twin Ducati Superbike.
2. Ducati can now take on Aprilia with smaller, more powerful engines.
3. This could easily bleed into the Supernaked category, and the Monster needs it.

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That would be the day I buy another sportbike.
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i'm not selling my PAnigale, but I will be very interested to see this! I've always wanted an Aprilia for that V4 sound, and now I'll be able to buy a Ducati instead.

Not to mention how much more MotoGP technology will make its way into consumer bikes this way.
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Just my guess as we have discussed on ducati.ms and elsewhere. If Domenicali says it will debut in 2018 and raced in 2019 that means it will be November 2018 at Intermot as a 2019 model year.

My guess is that the only V4 that first year will be the "R" version. $45k US price in other words.

The standard and "S" models come for the 2020 model year with prices higher than the 1299 is today. $21,999 and $26,495 respectively is my guess.

He is letting us know so we can start saving
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they reference a ``1299 Panigale R'' and i was like -- holy shit! they made an R version of the 1299?

but they meant the regular R, i'm sure.

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Wow, coming full circle.

The first company to build a V-4 (mid '60s) has come back around to it.

Awesome.
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It would be nice to see them resurrect the "Apollo" name for the new one.




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To me, a twin is better for real-world riding, and is the thing that makes Ducati the best bike to actually buy and ride. The only 2-cyl competition is KTM and MotoGuzzi, and both aren't really direct, especially in the sportbike/superbike realm. EBR, too, if they can get off the ground and become a stable company.

You can argue about what makes a Ducati unique, what is the essence. Trellis frames? Dry clutches? Desmo valves? I'd say the core feature is seriously fast 2-cyl bikes.

If Ducati does this, I hope they keep a good line of 2-cyl fast bikes as well. If they go fully for 4-cyl sportbikes, I'll miss them.

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To me, a twin is better for real-world riding, and is the thing that makes Ducati the best bike to actually buy and ride. The only 2-cyl competition is KTM and MotoGuzzi, and both aren't really direct, especially in the sportbike/superbike realm. EBR, too, if they can get off the ground and become a stable company.

You can argue about what makes a Ducati unique, what is the essence. Trellis frames? Dry clutches? Desmo valves? I'd say the core feature is seriously fast 2-cyl bikes.

If Ducati does this, I hope they keep a good line of 2-cyl fast bikes as well. If they go fully for 4-cyl sportbikes, I'll miss them.

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CEO Claudio Domenicali just confirmed Ducati will build a V4 Superbike for the consumer market, according to Motorcycle News. This bike will replace the Panigale first on the street, then on the track in leagues like World Superbike.

Speaking to reporters after the livestream reveal of it's new MotoGP bikes, Domenicali said Ducati will continue to race the Panigale in WSB this year and in 2018, according to Motomatters.com editor David Emmett.

``So chances are we will see a new Ducati V4 Superbike in 2018, race it in 2019 or 2020,'' Emmett said on Twitter. He added, ``Domenicali said it would be at a normal, premium-Superbike price. My guess is tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands.''

This is exciting for so many reasons!

1. The Panigale will now be an end-of-an-era bike, as the last V-twin Ducati Superbike.
2. Ducati can now take on Aprilia with smaller, more powerful engines.
3. This could easily bleed into the Supernaked category, and the Monster needs it.
Interesting. As the premier maker of V-twin sportbikes, one wonders why Ducati would choose this path for the future. There is nothing you can do with a V-four you can't do with a V-twin - there's no magic in 4 cylinders. More powertrain complication in exchange for more power/liter. This is like Harley ditching their 45-degree V-twin for a V-four lineup. I wonder about Ducati's motivation with this change in company direction and how they'll treat the rest of their product portfolio - little by little they'll all change to V-fours?
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