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Old Dec 29th, 2007, 12:33 pm   #1 (permalink)
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1098s/r and 848 Interchangeability

I figured I would start a thread listing the interchangeability between the 1098s/r and 848 so we can see what it takes upgrade to an "s" and/or "r"

Known differences / possible upgrades:

Brakes
1). 848 - 2 x 320mm semi-floating discs, radially mounted Brembo calipers 4-piston, 2-pad
2). 1098s - 2 x 330 mm semi-floating discs, radially mounted Brembo Monobloc calipers 4-piston, 2-pad
3). 1098r - 2 x 330 mm semi-floating discs, radially mounted Brembo Monobloc calipers 4-piston, 2-pad
Differneces between part numbers of the 848 and 1098s are:
Master cylinder - (front break pump) 1098s part #624.4.046.1A
Brake Caliper (L.H.) - 1098s part #610.4.090.1A
Brake Caliper (R.H.) - 1098s part #610.4.091.1A
Caliper pump pipe - 1098s part #618.4.074.1A
Front brake line - 1098s part #618.4.075.1A
Spacer - 1098s part #713.1.364.1A
Micro switch - 1098s part #539.4.035.1A
Special screw - 1098s part #779.1.415.1A
Special screw - 1098s part #779.1.397.1A
Screw - 1098s part #779.1.331.1D
Clamp - 1098s part #741.1.035.1A
Spring - 1098s part #612.4.037.1A
Nut - 1098s part #747.5.011.1A
Screw - 1098s part #771.5.645.8B
Brake disc (R.H.) - 1098s part #492.4.090.1A
Brake disc (L.H.) - 1098s part #492.4.089.1A

Differneces between part numbers of the 1098s and 1098r are:
Clamp 1098r part #741.1.036.1A
Bracket - 1098r part #930.1.477.1A
Spacer - 1098r part #713.192.1A
Sensor - 1098r part #522.4.037.1E
Screw - 1098r part #772.5.029.1A
Brake disc (R.H.) - 1098r part #492.4.102.1A (must have to do with the addtion sensor on the right side for the 1098r)

Suspension
1). 848 - Showa 43 mm fully adjustable upside-down fork w/ fully adjustable Showa monoshock (No steering damper)
2). 1098s - Ohlins FG511 43mm fully adjustable upside-down fork with TiN w/ fully adjustable Ohlins 46PRC rear shock with top-out spring (comes stand with Ohlins steering damper)
3). 1098r - Ohlins FG511 43mm fully adjustable upside-down fork with TiN w/ fully adjustable Ohlins TTX rear shock (comes stand with Ohlins steering damper)
Differneces between part numbers of the 848 and 1098s are:
Ohlins Fork (L.H.) - 1098s part #344.2.017.1A
Ohlins Fork (R.H.) - 1098s part #345.2.017.1A
Steering head base assembly - 1098s part #342.2.033.1A (NOTE: From the parts diagram the steering head base assembly does not appear to be Showa or Ohlins specific but more 1098 model specific)
Throttle closing cable - 1098s part #656.1.071.1B
Special screw - 1098s part #610.4.091.1A
Switch (R.H.) - 1098s part #650.4.011.1A
Hnadle bar assembly (R.H.) - 1098s part #360.2.086.1C
Spacer - 1098s part #713.1.209.1A
Nut - 1098s part #747.5.003.1A
Screw - 1098s part #771.1.050.1A
Screw - 1098s part #771.1.039.1A
Screw - 1098s part #779.1.331.1D
Ohilins steering damper - 1098s part #364.1.003.1A
O-ring - 1098s part #886.5.014.1A
Spacer - 1098s part #713.1.153.1A
Switch (L.H.) - 1098s part #651.1.004.1A
Handlebar asembly (L.H.) - 1098s part #360.2.087.1C
Joint - 1098s part #848.2.002.1A
Ring - 1098s part #0170.91.730
Spring pin - 1098s part #861.5.002.1A
Clamp - 1098s part #808.2.016.2A
Clamp (L.H.) - 1098s part #360.1.087.1C
Handlebar tube (L.H.) - 1098s part #875.1.132.1A
Clamp (R.H.) - 1098s part #360.1.086.1C
Handlebar tube (R.H.) - 1098s part #875.1.131.1A
Retainer - 1098s part #841.1.016.1A
Screw - 1098s part #771.1.019.1A

Differneces between part numbers of the 1098s and 1098r are:
Screw- 1098r part #771.1.046.1A
Cables unit - 1098r part #656.2.003.1A
Handlebar (R.H.) - 1098r part #360.2.086.1CB
Steering head - 1098r part #341.1.063.2AB
Handlebar (L.H.) - 1098r part #360.2.08.1CB
Wrench without transponder - 1098r part #598.4.018.1A
Joint - 1098r part #848.2.002.1A
Nut - 1098r part #750.5.001.1B
Nut - 1098r part #750.4.008.1A
Retainer - 1098r part #841.1.016.1A
Screw - 1098r part #771.1.019.1A
Rubber pad - 1098r part #764.1.050.1A
Bracket - 1098r part #830.1.466.1AA
Steering eccentric- 1098r part #756.2.011.1A
Screw - 1098r part #771.5.723.8B
Special screw - 1098r part #779.1.060.1A
Threaed dowel - 1098r part #778.5.009.1A
Screw - 1098r part #771.5.072.8B
Bracket - 1098r part #830.1.475.1AA

Exhaust
The 1098 and 848 full exhaust systems are exactly the same except for only two parts... the slip-ons and the springs that hold them... at least according to the part numbers in the manuals


Bodywork
All bodywork is identical except for color and material


Questions / possible incompatibility:

Frame
The 1098 and 848 have different part numbers

Wheels
Seems from reading that the 1098s has lighter wheels than the 848, and the 1098r "definitely" has lighter wheels. The front wheels the the same size but the rear wheel sizes are different:
848 - 5-spoke light alloy 5.50 x 17
1098s/r - 5-spoke forged light alloy 6.00 x 17

Extras
1098r - Ducati Data Analysis system as standard equipment, DTC (Ducati Traction Control) I heard that the DTC is already installed in all of our bikes it just needs to be activated once Ducati release it to the 848, 1098, 1098s... it will be a software upgrade / unlock done at the dealer with a control switch added to a reserved / blank spot on one of the grips


I know I'm forgetting something... please add your info
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Old Dec 29th, 2007, 4:14 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Questions / possible incompatibility:

Frame
The 1098 and 848 have different part numbers


I know I'm forgetting something... please add your info
According to what I read(forget where, sorry) the 848 frame is made from thinner-walled, larger-diameter tubing than the 1098 frame. That's likely why they have different part numbers.
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Old Dec 29th, 2007, 4:33 pm   #3 (permalink)
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According to what I read(forget where, sorry) the 848 frame is made from thinner-walled, larger-diameter tubing than the 1098 frame. That's likely why they have different part numbers.

I read the same thing but I read that both the 1098 and 848 frames where both made from the same thinner-walled, larger-diameter tubing. maybe the different part numbers are due to different engine mounting points...?
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Old Dec 29th, 2007, 9:09 pm   #4 (permalink)
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differance in frames is probably the missing steering damper bracket alone
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Old Dec 30th, 2007, 1:13 pm   #5 (permalink)
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1Master cylinder - (front break pump) 1098s part #624.4.046.1A - Due to lever color only

Differneces between part numbers of the 1098s and 1098r are:
Clamp 1098r part #741.1.036.1A - Black finish
Bracket - 1098r part #930.1.477.1A - Black finish
Spacer - 1098r part #713.192.1A - DTC
Sensor - 1098r part #522.4.037.1E - DTC
Brake disc (R.H.) - 1098r part #492.4.102.1A - DTC

Differneces between part numbers of the 1098s and 1098r are:

Exhaust
The 1098 and 848 full exhaust systems are exactly the same except for only two parts... the slip-ons and the springs that hold them... at least according to the part numbers in the manuals - 848 cans flow a little more freely

Questions / possible incompatibility:

Frame
The 1098 and 848 have different part numbers - due to steering damper mount

Wheels

848 - 5-spoke light alloy 5.50 x 17
1098s/r - 5-spoke forged light alloy 6.00 x 17

Extras
I heard that the DTC is already installed in all of our bikes it just needs to be activated once Ducati release it to the 848, 1098, 1098s... it will be a software upgrade / unlock done at the dealer with a control switch added to a reserved / blank spot on one of the grips - You heard wrong. DTC requires all hardware from 1098R to function correctly.
The bikes are basically similar with the differences being for either color or model specific changes - ie 848 has the 5 bolt small diameter rear axle assembly and the 1098's have the large diameter 6 bolt axle assembly. Steering damper vs none, adjustable suspension link vs fixed, 5.5 wheel vs 6.0, black levers vs silver levers, black fairing screws vs silver, etc etc. Nearly everything will interchange if installed as assemblies with all required hardware. The damper bracket is available from Ducati with or without a damper kit. Great for 848 riders who are going to race.
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Old Dec 30th, 2007, 3:05 pm   #6 (permalink)
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The bikes are basically similar with the differences being for either color or model specific changes - ie 848 has the 5 bolt small diameter rear axle assembly and the 1098's have the large diameter 6 bolt axle assembly. Steering damper vs none, adjustable suspension link vs fixed, 5.5 wheel vs 6.0, black levers vs silver levers, black fairing screws vs silver, etc etc. Nearly everything will interchange if installed as assemblies with all required hardware. The damper bracket is available from Ducati with or without a damper kit. Great for 848 riders who are going to race.
Sorry, but does this mean that there are more options than the ducati p damper for the 848?
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Old Dec 30th, 2007, 3:29 pm   #7 (permalink)
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Don't forget about motor's... The 1098R has 4 injectors, completely differently ported heads, cam's, valves, lighter and stronger crank, slipper clutch and heavier duty crank case. If I recall properly, they are using different pistons too, but I can't find that tid bit of info anywhere.

Ahh, anybody wanna give me 40k... I'll figure it out! lol

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Nearly everything will interchange if installed as assemblies with all required hardware. Great for 848 riders who are going to race.
My thoughts exactly!... easier for us to find spares. thus the point of my thread has been revealed
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My thoughts exactly!... easier for us to find spares. thus the point of my thread has been revealed
I'm glad you started it. It's a good reference if nothing else.
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