Synthetic or Non-Synthetic for Break-In

[p8ntdyou]

Originally Posted by Chuckracer

Or...how about this: Use the Shell Advance for the ride home, change it to petroleum, ride it for 234.6 miles, change it to semi-synth, do 202.4 miles on that, then change it to full synth, ie; where you started.

Make sure you do all your changes with the bike pointed East...keeps the good Juju in the cases.

luv it ... ummm the bikes come with full synth in them so i'd guess that's what you should run ... jm2c

[2DucJ]

I want my 3 minutes back

J-

[OldBaldy]

Originally Posted by p8ntdyou

luv it ... ummm the bikes come with full synth in them so i'd guess that's what you should run ... jm2c

I don't believe anyone has verified they come with Ultra 4 yet. But even if they did, there is no stipulation to use a synthetic in the manual. Only to use an oil that is not available in the USA ....or any oil with the correct viscosity range for the local temps. (even monograde!)

If I was lucky enough to own a new 1098, I would absolutely break it in on dino. Too many very knowledgeable tuners agree on this suggestion, to refute, IMO.

[ducati2242]

Yeah the tuners are bound to say run it in on the dyno arent they. Thats cos theve got one and want you to pay to use it. Lets face it if every engine was to be run in on the dyno we`d all have one ,trying to get the gullable to use them.

[Nightshade]

I would drain all of that syn that comes in it out. In fact, if the dealer fills the oil, I would ask them to leave it empty so there was no syn left in at the microscopic level after you drain the first time. I mean those dumbass engineers that put it in there for break-in couldn't possibly know anything. I would then consult the astrology section in THAT DAY's paper and see if it had any clues as to whether I was making a good decision. If so, I would not chance it and run 50/50 Mobil 1 syn and Charlie's piston pusher brand conventional oil. I hear it's only good for a few hundred miles so it should be perfect for break-in. I would then have a Catholic preist bless the Oil container while a Jamacian Voo-Doo witch doctor casts a spell on the bike (in that order) just to be safe. After a few miles run in by the local palm reader for a seance to see if that new beauty will talk to you and tell you if the concoction is treating her innerds right. I would repeat this process every 50 miles until I am confident my oil was not damaging her internals.

Sorry but it's ridiculous to be afraid to use the oil that Ducati put in it from the factory.

[OldBaldy]

Originally Posted by ducati2242

Yeah the tuners are bound to say run it in on the dyno arent they. Thats cos theve got one and want you to pay to use it. Lets face it if every engine was to be run in on the dyno we`d all have one ,trying to get the gullable to use them.

You're getting "dyno" mixed up with "dino". The one is a measuring device for determining the motor's torque/HP, and the other is a type of oil i.e. mineral oil.

[OldBaldy]

Originally Posted by Nightshade

Sorry but it's ridiculous to be afraid to use the oil that Ducati put in it from the factory.

Not sure who is "afraid" to use the original oil, but there would clearly not be anything "wrong" with breaking in the Duc motor with the original fill oil (aside from the obvious negative of circulating all the metallic swarf you see on the magnetic plug the first few oil changes, and we've yet to determine whether the original fill oil from Duc is Ultra 4 or a break-in oil as some manufacturers use) - it's just that for MANY tuners and enthusiasts, the added work to ensure a GREAT seal, using dino oil, is a worthwhile investment in time and effort. Those who don't, will not break (sic!) their motor...and it will run just fine. Those that go to the extra effort will very likely be rewarded with a very fine running motor.

If you don't agree with the guys who have tried and tested this approach, then fine - everyone SHOULD do what they're comfortable with.

[Dark_Daddy]

FWIW I took my 749 in at 900+ miles for its 600 mile service and there was nothing remotely metal flake looking on the secondary filter. I asked my mechanic twice to make sure I heard him right. They put full synth back in it during the service.

[OldBaldy]

Did he clean the magnetic oil plug - that's where this stuff heads too (hopefully)

A Ducati GT1000 oil plug at 600 miles...

http://www.webbikeworld.com/ducati-m...drain-plug.jpg

[VisitorQ]

Originally Posted by Chuckracer

Ya know...here's a thought: The bike comes with Shell Advance Ultra 4 in it from the factory, which we've determined to be a full synthetic oil. The bike has already been run with that oil in it before it left the factory (on a "rolling road' - and right to redline in every gear...so much for your anal break-in theories.)
So...you are going to (probably) have you dealer uncrate the bike, and in the midst of prep and set-up have them dump this perfectly good synthetic oil and put something else in it, filter swap, too.

You DO know it's not good to mix petroleum and synthetics, right?

I think you're making problems where there isn't any...in other words, just ride the thing.

Just because they run the bike in every gear to redline doesn't mean it is broke in.

I mean really guys, I was looking for honest answers here not a bunch of BS answers. If you don't have anything constructive to say, why reply?

Jason

BTW. I stick non-synthetic oil in my CBR over the winter and don't change the filter when I change the oil from winter storage. I am sure some of the non is still left in the filter and I never had a problem. I would drain the oil but not change the filter if I did this...