2017 MTS Airbox upgrade available for 15/16? - Page 4 - Ducati.ms - The Ultimate Ducati Forum
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #31 of 61 (permalink) Old Jan 4th, 2017, 2:16 pm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Stockholm, , Sweden
Posts: 311
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redfire View Post
Do you really want to know the answer?
If they offer that upgrade I will not sell my bike for the next 10 years! And my next bike will be a brand new Ducati! I swear!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
As I said some months ago...
Anyway we are happy with our bikes aren't we? Maybe Ducati knows that
Redfire is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #32 of 61 (permalink) Old Jan 4th, 2017, 4:41 pm
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Ottawa, , Canada
Posts: 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonaventure View Post
As DaveK cited, not an unconfirmed rumor. The original thread w/ mention of the Ducati USA National Service Manager's statement regarding a Campaign coming out on it is here:

DVT Air box upgrade owner notification

At this point, do I expect Ducati to foot the cost of an all inclusive recall campaign to do this? No. But how about some kind of Sponsored Path for '15 and '16 owners who so choose, to be able to upgrade their bikes for no cost or wholesale cost?
The link is not actually an owner notification, It's just an unconfirmed rumor by someone who heard a rep say something completely unconfirmed. Improved airboxes are something that comes with new models
Tamworth is online now  
post #33 of 61 (permalink) Old Jan 4th, 2017, 9:40 pm
Senior Member
 
Bonaventure's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Evansville, IN, USA
Posts: 2,214
It's not? Well, thanks for Clearing That Up ... However, when a ranking member of Ducati USA's field operations makes such a statement, it can be considered worthy of proclaiming to the owner community.

And it's beyond the airbox, it's a new tune as well. Together, the intake and tune comprise an improvement that is attainable to 15 and 16 owners if there is a pathway made. It is up to Ducati to authorize the tune being made available to us through dealer service. If the '17's start showing real world dyno charts that match WHAT DUCATI ADVERTISED FOR THE STOCK '15 AND '16 THAT NO KNOWN STOCK '15'S AND 16'S IN THE FIELD HAVE PRODUCED, then it would appear to be a worthwhile upgrade for those of us willing to buy the airbox and tune-- but it's up to Ducati to make that possible since the tune's are only attainable through the dealer service network.
porkrind, lemansiii, dddd and 1 others like this.

2016 Multistrada S
2013 Multistrada S Touring (sold)
Bonaventure is online now  
 
post #34 of 61 (permalink) Old Jan 5th, 2017, 10:40 am
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Mountain View, CA, USA
Posts: 251
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonaventure View Post
And it's beyond the airbox, it's a new tune as well. Together, the intake and tune comprise an improvement that is attainable to 15 and 16 owners if there is a pathway made. It is up to Ducati to authorize the tune being made available to us through dealer service. If the '17's start showing real world dyno charts that match WHAT DUCATI ADVERTISED FOR THE STOCK '15 AND '16 THAT NO KNOWN STOCK '15'S AND 16'S IN THE FIELD HAVE PRODUCED, then it would appear to be a worthwhile upgrade for those of us willing to buy the airbox and tune-- but it's up to Ducati to make that possible since the tune's are only attainable through the dealer service network.
Has Ducati ever done something like this in the past? In my experience, if you want "updates" from Ducati you have to buy a brand-new bike...
fubar929 is offline  
post #35 of 61 (permalink) Old Jan 5th, 2017, 12:23 pm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Stockholm, , Sweden
Posts: 311
Garage
Not even the dashboard with such butter quality that is impossible to clean without getting scratched or need to use screen protection like with the mobiles.. that one I had hard time to believe that Ducati after so many complaints didn't send out a recall and prefer to replace it with another one in the same quality under warranty. I wonder if with the Enduro is the same kind of quality or if there was any fix


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Redfire is offline  
post #36 of 61 (permalink) Old Jan 5th, 2017, 7:57 pm
Senior Member
 
Bonaventure's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Evansville, IN, USA
Posts: 2,214
Quote:
Originally Posted by fubar929 View Post
Has Ducati ever done something like this in the past? In my experience, if you want "updates" from Ducati you have to buy a brand-new bike...
But see, that's the beauty of how they updated the Multi 1200 for 2017: the updates are portable to the previous two model years because the engine, frame, and farings are dimensionally the same so the updated airbox should fit. The rub is being able to get the necessary ECU flash done after installing the 2017 airbox or having it installed...

2016 Multistrada S
2013 Multistrada S Touring (sold)
Bonaventure is online now  
post #37 of 61 (permalink) Old Jan 6th, 2017, 9:49 pm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Mountain View, CA, USA
Posts: 251
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonaventure View Post
But see, that's the beauty of how they updated the Multi 1200 for 2017: the updates are portable to the previous two model years because the engine, frame, and farings are dimensionally the same so the updated airbox should fit. The rub is being able to get the necessary ECU flash done after installing the 2017 airbox or having it installed...
Those Italian yahoos can't be bothered to put the 2015 & 2016 bikes on a dyno with a tank full of U.S. gas in order to develop an ECU map that doesn't suck. Do you really think they're going to bolt the new 2017 airbox to an old bike, spend the time to develop new maps for all of their various markets, get those new maps approved/certified as necessary, and then go through the hassle of selling the update and supporting it? Not gonna happen! Unless there's a huge class-action lawsuit, or something which forces their hand...
fubar929 is offline  
post #38 of 61 (permalink) Old Jan 6th, 2017, 9:53 pm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Santa Barbara, CA,
Posts: 147
Quote:
Originally Posted by fubar929 View Post
Those Italian yahoos can't be bothered to put the 2015 & 2016 bikes on a dyno with a tank full of U.S. gas in order to develop an ECU map that doesn't suck. Do you really think they're going to bolt the new 2017 airbox to an old bike, spend the time to develop new maps for all of their various markets, get those new maps approved/certified as necessary, and then go through the hassle of selling the update and supporting it? Not gonna happen! Unless there's a huge class-action lawsuit, or something which forces their hand...
Why would they need to bolt the air box onto older bikes for testing? There aren't any other changes. The box and map combinations that work on the '17 would work exactly the same on the '15 and '16.
porkrind is online now  
post #39 of 61 (permalink) Old Jan 7th, 2017, 12:48 am
767
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Kaiserslautern, , Germany
Posts: 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by fubar929 View Post
Those Italian yahoos can't be bothered to put the 2015 & 2016 bikes on a dyno with a tank full of U.S. gas in order to develop an ECU map that doesn't suck. Do you really think they're going to bolt the new 2017 airbox to an old bike, spend the time to develop new maps for all of their various markets, get those new maps approved/certified as necessary, and then go through the hassle of selling the update and supporting it? Not gonna happen! Unless there's a huge class-action lawsuit, or something which forces their hand...

If by U.S. gas, you mean E-10, it's widely available in Europe. By region and season, the U.S. Has over 50 different fuel blends. Also, the flat spot affected bikes worldwide, not just in the U.S.

Don't get me wrong, they should have got the map better in the beginning. If the new mod isn't expensive, I hope they cover from a customer satisfaction angle.
Bonaventure and porkrind like this.

Scott
'15 Multi S touring, '12 BMW R1200 GS
767 is online now  
post #40 of 61 (permalink) Old Jan 7th, 2017, 11:41 pm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Mountain View, CA, USA
Posts: 251
Quote:
Originally Posted by porkrind View Post
Why would they need to bolt the air box onto older bikes for testing? There aren't any other changes. The box and map combinations that work on the '17 would work exactly the same on the '15 and '16.
Because, at least in the U.S., DOT and CARB don't let you make random modifications to vehicles that will be used on public roads? California in particular has become very strict on aftermarket exhausts, ECU tuning, etc.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 767 View Post
If by U.S. gas, you mean E-10, it's widely available in Europe. By region and season, the U.S. Has over 50 different fuel blends. Also, the flat spot affected bikes worldwide, not just in the U.S.
Last time I looked, it appeared that the flat spot and peak HP numbers were worse in the U.S. than elsewhere in the world. Ducati's explanation has always been "U.S. gas"... which sounds like malarky to me. In any event, my bike still has an extremely noticeable flat spot and a torque curve that looks nothing like the graph on Ducati's website. Which makes me think that, for whatever reason, they can't be bothered to develop an ECU map that works here. I don't hold out any hope that they're going to update the 2015 & 2016 bikes, but I'd love to be proven wrong...
fubar929 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Ducati.ms - The Ultimate Ducati Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Africa Twin vs Convert my 2011 MTS vs Used MTS Enduro ScottF Multistrada 11 Oct 20th, 2016 8:40 pm
2006 MTS 1000DS Headlight upgrade alfasteve Multistrada 1 Jun 17th, 2016 4:34 pm
2010-2014 MTS brake upgrade seb5150 Multistrada 2 Jun 3rd, 2016 10:18 pm
suspension upgrade . . .non-Ohlins (base model MTS) sixfive Multistrada 21 May 31st, 2016 12:55 pm
Say hello to your leaky airbox kuksul08 HyperMotard 3 Jan 20th, 2016 11:03 pm

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome