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16 Pikes Peak / Ohlins or 15 1200 S / Skyhook

Hi - Please help. I am either going to buy a 2016 PP with the Ohlins and no Skyhook or a 2015 1200 S for about 3500 less

I am 55 and like a lot of guys dream of crossing Mongolia and other remote adventures but I will probably use it mostly for riding the mountains here in Colorado. My girlfriend has no interest in touring on a bike so those are factors - I am 5'9, 160 and the ergonomics of the DVT's fit me perfectly so earlier models are out. I also have a 09 r1200gs and and 12 Tiger 800 road - neither provide the necessary thrill although both bikes are superb.

The dealer is great and they advised the PP, but the guys I talked to are professional/amateur racers.

PP benefits - Ohlins, Term Exhaust, Paint Job/looks, simple and great suspension = less electronics to fail and hassle with. I suspect if I was a racer this would be an easy decision

1200 S - Benefits - less money, Skyhook

Those that have ridden them please weigh in, I have some concerns over all the skyhook electronics and have ridden the 15 MTS 1200 which I loved.
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Having traded the 2015 in for a Pikes Peak, I can tell you that the Skyhook is relatively useless, and I miss nothing about it.
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less electronics any day, especially when it comes to suspension! I have a '10 with non-ohlins but modified suspension and absolutely love it, especially compared to my buddy's electronic Ohlins . . .

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To suggest that skyhook is relatively useless is strange. It's obviously from each of our experiences to give our opinion, mine...

Skyhook, absolutely superb, just needed a little extra preload on the front and it's like a magic carpet.

Many comments from riders behind me that whilst they're bouncing up and down I look comfortable and unshaken. And guess what, they're right.

I've owned dozens of bikes over 40+ years of riding serious miles, I've raced, scrambled, toured, completed the TT and even drag raced ..... skyhook gets my approval.

But all opinions are never going to be the same.

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I made the trade from a '15 S to the '16 PP. I liked my S and enjoyed being able to easily tweak the suspension. But, I could never get it right. It was happy in touring mode - magic carpet. However, sport settings, regardless of the combinations tried, never felt planted.

I was overly concerned with giving up the comfort of Skyhook by going to the PP. A short test ride on the PP dispensed with that concern immediately.
I think they absolutely nailed it with the PP suspension. It required several turns to front preload to get it to behave just like the Skyhook did, but all other settings were pretty close to ideal.

Fwiw, I'm about the same age as the original poster. A tiny bit about my experiences: I've been playing with Ducs for about 25 years. I was in the bike biz for about 20 years - I brought Ducati to our town. I've ridden just about everything and I felt the 15 was the best all around bike I'd ever been on - there was just one niggle - it didn't care for being ridden hard. The PP is better, better than me, and it's as comfortable as can be.

Just one guy's input, fwiw.

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To suggest that skyhook is relatively useless is strange. It's obviously from each of our experiences to give our opinion, mine...

Skyhook, absolutely superb, just needed a little extra preload on the front and it's like a magic carpet.

Many comments from riders behind me that whilst they're bouncing up and down I look comfortable and unshaken. And guess what, they're right.
Agree with this. Ohlins suspension is awesome! But at the end of the day, you're limited to a single setup/configuration. If all the roads you ride are identical this works well. If you ride roads of varying quality then at some point you have to start compromising on the setup: the suspension is a little too soft for really smooth roads (or tracks), or it's too harsh over bumpy roads (or trails), etc. With Skyhook, you don't have to compromise: you have four different suspension setups, which you can switch between effortlessly, so there's always one that's perfect for the road you're riding right now. I thought Skyhook might end up being a gimmick when I bought the bike, but on most rides I end up using 3 of the 4 modes. Touring mode gets used most of the time, but there are a few racetrack-smooth roads where Sport works like a charm and some bumpy, torn-up backroads where the plushness of Urban mode fits the bill.

If you're planning to race, then by all means go for the Ohlins-equipped Pikes Peak. In the real world? I think you'd be crazy not to go with Skyhook Evo suspension...
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My opinion - if it was a semi-active Ohlins PP I'd say it's no contest... but a one setup manual suspension (even an excellent one which Ohlins is) is no competition to a good electronic suspension for a bike that needs to do all the things my bike needs to do - and the Skyhook IS a good to very good suspension.

It took a while to get the various modes set up the way I liked them, but now I generally am changing modes frequently... almost on a daily basis... depending on where and how I'm riding (and with how much stuff).
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