level 4 DTC on evo same as 796?

[dms]

Have done MSF training a while back and had been riding a 200CC bike for last 2 years (~2K miles). Not a pro but considering moving to a bigger bike. I like the 1100 evo a lot but think an upgrade to 796 is more logical step. Then in few years might upgrade to 1100 again.

if I get a 1100 evo and set DTC to level 4, would that cut engine power close to 796? If it does, then 1100 might be the better option.

Would appreciate input/thoughts from 1100 owners?

thx.

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by dms

Have done MSF training a while back and had been riding a 200CC bike for last 2 years (~2K miles). Not a pro but considering moving to a bigger bike. I like the 1100 evo a lot but think an upgrade to 796 is more logical step. Then in few years might upgrade to 1100 again.

if I get a 1100 evo and set DTC to level 4, would that cut engine power close to 796? If it does, then 1100 might be the better option.

Would appreciate input/thoughts from 1100 owners?

thx.

Im afraid you have a bit of reading to do... The DTC does not lower the power output of the motor. It is meant to prevent rear wheel slip and depending on the DTC #, it performs this at different states of wheel slip.

The best power control for the motor is in your wrist. Im saying that without sarcasm. You can baby an 1100 as you can a 796. It is not difficult to maintain control of acceleration so as not to unleash the beast. Either bike, the 796 or the 1100, if you were to wick the throttle like a crazy person at the wrong time, then you stand the same chance of having an incident.... unless of course you MEAN to wick the throttle, then by all means either bike will bring the smile. The 1100 just offers a bigger smile.

[Lucian748s]

I wouldn't try "restricting" a newer bike! If you are coming off a 200cc bike (please attach pics as I would love to see it ) then any Monster should have all the power you need. I recommend starting off on a older used one (620, S2r800, etc.) to see how much power you need then go for a newer one...

[dms]

Originally Posted by Lucian748s

I wouldn't try "restricting" a newer bike! If you are coming off a 200cc bike (please attach pics as I would love to see it ) then any Monster should have all the power you need. I recommend starting off on a older used one (620, S2r800, etc.) to see how much power you need then go for a newer one...

Lucian,

I think 1100evo has more power than I need/want and that's why I want to limit the power for now. I got a Konker KSM200 (same as Qlink XF200).

[dms]

Originally Posted by Gilly

Im afraid you have a bit of reading to do... The DTC does not lower the power output of the motor. It is meant to prevent rear wheel slip and depending on the DTC #, it performs this at different states of wheel slip.

The best power control for the motor is in your wrist. Im saying that without sarcasm. You can baby an 1100 as you can a 796. It is not difficult to maintain control of acceleration so as not to unleash the beast. Either bike, the 796 or the 1100, if you were to wick the throttle like a crazy person at the wrong time, then you stand the same chance of having an incident.... unless of course you MEAN to wick the throttle, then by all means either bike will bring the smile. The 1100 just offers a bigger smile.

thanks for comment Gill. I tried to look for information about the DTC but not much available on the ducati forums. A reviewer (for SF848) started accidentally with DTC set to 8, the bike lacked in power till he realized the issue and reset the DTC to level 3. So, higher DTC settings will cause a lag with sending full power to back wheel, such a setting is good for raining/slippery road but could be used to limit power?!

[giantdefy]

Even if you set the 1100 to its highest DTC setting, its going to be way way more powerful than the konker KSM200. Thats a 100 hp vs 16 hp. With your bike, throttle control is not an issue, but with a 1100, your going to have to learn to go easy on the throttle.

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by dms

thanks for comment Gill. I tried to look for information about the DTC but not much available on the ducati forums. A reviewer (for SF848) started accidentally with DTC set to 8, the bike lacked in power till he realized the issue and reset the DTC to level 3. So, higher DTC settings will cause a lag with sending full power to back wheel, such a setting is good for raining/slippery road but could be used to limit power?!

Traction control is not a tool for limiting the power of the bike. It will only kick in when you ask the bike for more power than the rear traction can offer in different situations.

If you are not sure of your skills, then take further schooling on riding. If you get an honest evaluation from an instructor, they will tell you where you are at and what you should ride. You cannot cheat experience and you cannot buy an option that will cover for the lack of.

The best learning tool for riding is imho the dirt bike or dual sport bike. It would suck laying down a new bike if you lack the time needed to be proficient. I'd rather crash 100 times on a dirt bike, then with the experience of time on that bike purchase a Ducati so I wouldn't crash it.

Motor skills (the hand/wrist/foot/balance etc) coordination is something that is learned. If you have these skills and are not thinking of riding when you ride, that is a comfort level suitable for stepping up to the next level. It's exciting getting a new bike, and it's exciting learning to ride well. I would keep the two separate though since it's not exciting when you have a moment and basically "freeze" since your body does not know what to do.

I don't know where you are at with skills, and I dont mean to infer you lack any. I do hope that you can get the bike you want even if it means using another bike to learn on as many do. I just get the sense that you dont have a lot of time invested and want to provide you with some thought on it all. Hope that helps. As I've said to many friends who lust for what I ride, I am humble that it takes time to learn and respect the machine and there is no pause button when shit goes wrong.

[Desmo_Addict]

They're both good bikes (796 and 1100), so good news is you won't make a wrong choice here. I think you're asking the wrong question. I know little about your riding history (# of miles) but I'm assuming with 2 years on a 200 you're comfortable on the street. Here's my advice - if you can take them both on the road, do it and get the one that speaks to you. The right question isn't DTC but what bike fits best within your limits and how much self-control will you exercise when out riding? Are you one that will wring the neck of any bike you're on and therefore need the bike to limit you, or are you someone that knows your own limits and will stay within them regardless of engine size. Do you know your limits or do you think your invincible? The Monster 1100 is a well-mannered bike around town, and you honestly have to let the throttle go to get into DTC territory - my 0.02. As Gilly said - DTC will potentially help a bit, but honestly it's not a detune mechanism to turn the bike into a smaller displacement. I think the best gauge of which bike is best is your own limits, work up to the bike capabilities before pushing those limits. If you can sign up for a track days - even better!!! My personal experience, is i'll settle for an intermediate bike, but in no time will be looking to the larger bike and wondering. Therefore, I'd personally go with the 1100 and work up my comfort level slowly over time (and a track day(s) or two)- but bottom line is I'd get the bike I'd grow with rather than the one I fit. When in doubt, try to ride both and get what makes you happy to begin with....

I own a Monster 1100 EVO and honestly its not this big intimidating bike that has this ridiculous power that should make one nervous. It's a nice bike that is well rounded and tons of usable every day powerband, but its an aircooled L-Twin. Can you get yourself in trouble? Sure - about as easy as you could on 796.

If we were talking my MV Agusta Brutale I'd be telling you a different story as that bike had a very abrupt throttle that sometimes would sneak up on you in mid-corner and required a ton of finesse with clutch control. It wanted to go 2 speeds - fast and faster with tons of torque low end and high end of an inline 4. If we were talking that bike I'd be saying it'd probably be better to go with an intermediate bike before going that route from a 200cc.

Good luck with the decision though - either way I don't think you'll go wrong.

[Gilly]

My main thoughts were based on the two year/2k riding of the 200cc. That's not a lot of miles under the belt, and since that adds up to 2.7 miles a day... I was concerned about him not having enough time on a bike to have developed the brain functions needed for riding in general. IMO, not enough time on a bike to justify jumping from a 200cc to anything Ducati without a strong risk of having many moments that should be experienced on a less expensive bike. I still say dirt bike/dual sport or a ninja250.

[Desmo_Addict]

I don't disagree with you Gilly! In fact you're probably right on the recommendation. The more I think about it, the fact that we're discussing the question about DTC to detune the bike to a smaller displacement indicates a lack of confidence ref riding abilities. (honestly no offense intended). If so, I would definitely agree with your reasoning and conclusions.

If the chap goes everywhere on his 200cc around town, put a 10K miles on it, and is super comfortable on it, then the larger displacement likely won't throw him. That confidence and riding is similar so long as he understands his limits and doesn't push it through the canyons. That comes down to self-control and maturity. Failure in that department is how you end up in trouble and some really costly repairs - I can't argue there.