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Old Sep 19th, 2007, 9:15 am   #1 (permalink)
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The Real Reason for the Demise of the Original Bimota and Thoughts on the New Company

It's a great motor, with gobs of smooth power. It just needed to be unshackled and stuck in a great chassis like your Bimota. Cheers! [/QUOTE]

This comment in response to the dyno figures churned out my by SB6R brings to a head why I believe the original Bimota company ended up out of business, in addition to the well-publicized V-due fiasco, and perhaps the real reason for its demise, with the V-due simply the last nail in a coffin already well along in construction.

The original Bimota concept (pre-DB1) was to take the newly developed four cycl Japanese engines (Kawasaki Z1, Honda 900, Yamaha 1100 ) which offered power no Italian, American or British bike could approach and address their then inherent problems, poor handling, overweight, and flexi chassis/poor braking. (This was not purely a street bike issue, the early Japanese Grand Prix bikes, especially Honda, had chassis issues that allowed MV to stay ahead with lesser engines) and then build a great sportbike by developing the SB2, HB2, K1 etc which cut weight dramatically, and offered handling and braking that was miles above the contemporary Z1 etc.

Even the intial Ducati powered models were there to provide the same type of answer. The company was having cash flow issues because of the Tesi projects and racing focus. The DB1 ended up saving the bacon at that point by doing what the earlier 4cyl models had done -- taking a great engine and putting it into a light weight, great handling package the 'donor' bike could not match.

The DB1 took its powerplant from the then newly-released Ducati 750 F1. The latter was inherently flawed and had issues with handling and many other factors that made it the swan song of the original Ducati company, which was in transition to Cagiva after the F1 was developed but before it was released to an unimpressed public. By contrast, the DB1 was an unprecedented success for Bimota and was, as the earlier 4cyl models, the classic formula of a good donor engine in a platform that outhandled and outperformed the donor bike.

But the rest of the industry changed and Bimota did not. Kawasaki and Suzuki engines continued to go into Bimota frames, and while the Bimota models maintained the same general platform (YB4 through 10, and the pre SB6 series) the donor bikes developed faster and the Japanese brought out models with the same engines but now lighter and with handling and braking that matched their powerplants.

Buy the Bimota road test compilations and you can see this happening. The early tests of the K1s, the HB2 and the Y series are glowing, while the later tests say, "good, but not that much -- if at all -- better than the donor bikes." This reached its peak in the last gasp of the Yamaha series, the YB11, which was not any better, and perhaps a lesser bike than the much less expensive Thunderace. Ditto for the YB9 series. At this point, Bimota was also using the aluminum frame in the YB11 that traced its design back to the YB4, and had now found its way into bikes such as the Yamaha donor and the contemporary Hondas and Suzukis. At that point, the extra price for a Bimota made them near impossible to sell.


Fortunately for Bimota, the GSXR 1100 came along, and the bike had the engine from heaven, but in a poor handling, overweight package. Bimota then unveiled the last (and still used in Santamonica form) chassis platform for their 4 cycl products, the "Straight Line Connection" frame of the SB6, a model that sold in very large numbers and offered substantial improvements over the donor Suzuki. The revised SB6R was even better, staying with the new frame and improving handling and performance -- while the YB11 built at the same time stayed with the older platform. The former was a significant step up for a buyer and offered potentially the state of the art in a street superbike, while the latter was, and I apologize to owners of this model in advance -- a very nicely built and beautiful old school ride.

But the Japanese continued to improve their bikes, as did Ducati. The DB series was a good seller for Bimota, but not all that much 'above' a Ducati with the same engine and now in a good chassis in its own right. The GSX 1100 R was dropped, and the lighter, smaller discplacement (but increasingly powerful) Gixxers rolled out of the factory. Yamaha and Kawasaki followed suit, and Bimota no longer had a superior four cyl product nor even a reasonable alternative to the Ducati. Time, and developing technology in Japan and at Ducati (and at MV, Aprilia, etc) had undercut Bimota's market niche.

The SB8R didn't do much to change the picture. The donor bike for this model, the Suzuki TL series, was a reversion by Suzuki to the decade before, a great engine in an overweight bike with serious handling issues. Bimota took that engine, juiced it up a tad, and then put it into a revised SB6R chassis which resulted in a four valve V twin every bit as good as the Ducati Superbikes of the same era. Indeed, the one I now own performs right up there with my 07 999S Part Unlimted Ducati, albeit the SB is too new to push to its limits, but initial feel is, as others have noted, very much a 4valve Ducati in response and handling. (See the Alan Cathcart test at the Bimota Enthusiasts website.)

But, and as much as I cherish my SB8R, would I have bought it when it came out in 1999 and 2000 at a very high price? No. The best you could say about the SB8R (and that bike and the DB4 were all Bimota could really offer as a result of the V-due disaster) was that they offered performance no better than the parallel offerings from Ducati but at much higher prices. Sure, I just bought a new one seven years later, but at a sharply reduced price for a bike that still will run with a new Ducati 4 valve at or under the same price but which has a look and feel I appreciate and which should hold its value now that it has 'depreciated' as far as it will go and should hold or increase its value in the years to come.

So that is why I feel Bimota folded at the start of this century, it no longer had an 'answer' for a problem that had gone away. It could no longer offer an improvement in performance and handling over the donor models, and often could not even match them. Prices were always an issue for Bimota, but we paid them when they offered something we could not get elsewhere for less. At the end, Bimota offered image but no 'edge' and their market evaporated regadless of the failed V-due project. Sure, the cash drain of the V-due was the last nail, as I said before, but the patient was terminal long before that when the market niche went away, and Bimota did not find a new one.

Now what about the 'new' Bimota? They do not tout improved performance or technical innovation (save for the Tesi 3D.) Instead, they take a stock Ducati 2v and put it in a chassis that is light and superb handling, but sells it to the public based on its fine detailing and low production, a bike for someone who appreciates it as mechanical 'art' rather than cutting edge technology.

Did they pull it off? Or, did they revert to their original role without telling Ducati about it?

I was offered a DB5 for a good price, I tried it and found a great engine (the 1000DS) in a 364 pound package with incredible handling. Good grief, did Bimota stumble on something Ducati had missed? Ducati last offered this engine in a sport bike package in the now discontinued 1000DS SS. It sold poorly and they no longer make a 2v sport bike except in the new Sports Classic series. I owned a Paul Smart, liked it, but when I got the DB5 I sold it.

Why? The DB5 took the same great engine, put into a chassis as slim as riding a bicycle, cut off 50 pounds of weight, and then put on all the bits and pieces necessary to give the bike uncanny ride, handling and response. Once again, Bimota has found a way to take a donor engine that is world class, put it into a platform that is superior in performance and handling to the donor, and offered it to the public.

Sorry for the long rambling observation here, but this is my spin on why Bimota really died, and why I have high hopes for the new company. Dave
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Old Sep 19th, 2007, 12:46 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Thanks for the thoughtful analysis. You should be writing for the magazines.

I always thought it was interesting how much promise and early success the SB8R had when Anthony Gobert sobered up (and showed up) long enough to ride it, considering that the team was on a shoestring with very little development and an out of shape (but supremely talented) rider at the end of his career arc. What might have been...

You are right- Bimota needs to reset the bar as far as handling and light weight go. The TL series Suzukis were the last bikes in recent memory that had glaring flaws in the handling department, so improving is more difficult these days.

Although, if you knock 50lbs off any bike and dress it up with beautiful parts, it makes a pretty good case for the new Bimota, eh?

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Old Sep 19th, 2007, 4:42 pm   #3 (permalink)
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Maybe Bimota could do something with the incredibly ill handling (from what I've read, never ridden one) ZX-10 which supposedly has a great motor.

Or heck.... Bimota Busa?
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Old Sep 19th, 2007, 5:07 pm   #4 (permalink)
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I guess my thoughts on bimota's problems are different then yours. You are correct in stating other motorcycle companies looked to bimota as well as Nico Baker, Kobas, Harris, Spondon and other to solve their handling problems and for direction in desigin. But as we came into the eighties they became much better at it, and their are now less of the specialty builders around today.

The SB6 and the SB6R were answers for questions asked and answered way before it was produced. Ing. Gaetano Cocco showed that a high cener of gravity was the way go for a better handling bike. Marconi in the SB6 strived for a low center of gravity. One of which went to desigin bikes that won more world championships then any other manufacture in the last twenty years. Last I heard Marconi worked for him. The other big problem that came about this time, was for the bike to flex when leaned over. Marconi came out with the Stright Line frame of the SB6 which made the problem worse. This is the begining of the end for bimota, people in the know could see bimota going in the wrong direction. By the way the SB6 was the largest selling bimota model, and one of the most beautiful bikes they ever made. A side note, a low center of gravity and a frame that is stiff laterally can still make a good bike. The Honda Gold Wing comes to mind. The SB6R was a update of the SB6, and when you figure that many of these were given to people that bought Vdue's it was a sales disaster.

Than came the Vdue fiasco, enuff said. Also at about the same time the managment of bimota bought into a Sattelite Communicattions System to keep in touch with dealers all over the world, many of whom sold two bikes a year. This was the end of bimota, the remnants were auctioned off.

The YB11 most say the best bimota out of the box, SB8R and SB8RS the best bike of the modern era and the DB4 a last shot at making the magic happen again were too late.

These are my ramblings and observations, and are meant not to hurt or cause loss of sleep.
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Old Sep 20th, 2007, 7:47 pm   #5 (permalink)
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I really have no dispute with most of what you say, and I agree that, from what I had heard, the communication system fiasco was a major contributing factor towards the final collapse, although at that point, it merely hastened the date of demise of an already terminal patient.

I agree that the SB8R and SB8RS were the best bike of the modern era, taking a lot of pleasure in riding my SB8R. I think that you owe it to yourself to ride a well-sorted and strong-running SB6R. The issues you mention may work against it on a track, but on the street, it is marvelous.

Where we part is the last Yamaha powered Bimots. I have always found the YB11 to be an anomoly. I honestly saw little or no improvement over the decade older YB8, the frame and engine only a tad different, with the later bike adopting a variation on the SB6R In addition, the one I rode had a quirky feel to the front end, and several former owners complained of front fork issues.

I am a DB junkie, and the DB4 was -- until the DB5 was released by the new Bimota -- the top of the found chain in Ducati powered Bimotas. But, the improvements it offered over the then current Ducatis was not about to salvage Bimota's bacon, as the first DB had done back in the mid 80s, when it stood head and shoulders above Ducati's 750 F1, which used the same engine.

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Or heck.... Bimota Busa?
Better my sister in a whore house than stuff that monster mill into a Bimota chassis. What would we call that model, The Instant Organ Donor? Dave (aka, Hammer's Dad)
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Don't got no stinkin' Bimota Busa either, nor do I want one. Dave (aka Dad)
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